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Is the Democratic Party "too intelligent" and "too elitist" for our own good?

by: bluemcdowell

Mon Oct 08, 2007 at 22:59:42 PM EDT


(A thoughtful Diary... one that should provoke some interesting comments. - promoted by wvblueguy)

It was my good friend from another website and now a member of this website husker83 that convinced me to think much harder on this issue than I ever have before, and he was exactly 100 percent on the money right on target.

He said in response to my "comedian and charismatics" diary that working middle class Americans tend to listen to people who have similar educational backgrounds to them far more often than those who don't.

And the same is true for politeness and friendliness as well.  If you're not as friendly or polite or as willing to listen to them like they think they you should be in any walk of life they will not listen or take heed to anything you say no matter how true those statements are or how logical they might sound.

And forget about being an "elitist" if you're a candidate from either the Democratic or Republican Party.  The best way to lose an election is to act like that 100 percent certain no question about it.

And ever since Ronald Reagan in 1980 Republicans have held the advantage 2 different but yet crucial areas with the obvious exception of Bill Clinton in '92 and '96 and probably his wife Hillary Clinton in 2008.

Here are the 2 reasons listed below:

1.  Educational attainment

I myself love fellow Democratic bloggers like Ezra Klein and Christi Hardin Smith of firedoglake.com who are both very intelligent and know 100 percent what they're talking about on every political issue facing this country today.

I also love Keith Olbermann of Countdown fame.  He too is very intelligent and knows the heck what's he's talking about.

However, I would say that at least 50 percent of my fellow Americans especially my fellow evangelicals and Pentecostals if not 90 percent of them tune those highly intelligent well-educated people out the very 1st time they've read their blogs or watch their shows, and I'll tell you why I think that is.

Like it or not most of my fellow Americans especially those from the Deep South and here in Appalachia sadly tend to not take education very seriously.  All they try to do is "slide by" with B's, C's and D's in school and pass "by the skin of their teeth" and "get that darn diploma so I can get the heck out of school and away from mom and dad" and that's it.

You would think my fellow evangelicals and Pentecostals would be the "mostly likely" to do do.  Instead we are the "least likely" of all denominations to do so instead.  Pentecostal preachers and church goers here in southern West Virginia McDowell County especially all the time seem to brag about their lack of education and even boast about it the majority of the time.  Pentecostalism always has been considered a "poor and uneducated man's religion" and many Pentecostals rightfully or wrongfully feel that more financially stable more well-educated mainline Methodist and Baptist Christians are "elitist, stuck up, too smart for their own good, and bigger than their heads." 

That's a major reason in the United States why Pentecostal churches' membership has absolutely exploded since the Reagan days while the mainline churches such as Methodists, Baptists, and Presbyterians have seen a sharp decline in membership.  My fellow Pentecostals feel again rightfully or wrongfully they are 100 percent welcome in their church while not so much welcome in mainline churches such as Methodists, Baptists, and Presbyterians.

The exact same concept is true in politics as well.  Our last two Democratic presidential candidates such Al Gore and John Kerry were far more intelligent than our current president Mr. Bush but that actually turned off more American voters especially those in red states especially right here in Appalachia in the Deep South as well.  High school graduate voters rightfully or wrongfully feel that they are being ignored by the "more elitist" Democrats than they are from the Republicans even though it is a proven fact that far more Republicans are "elitists" than Democrats.  But the perception of most high-school graduates and even drop-outs is completely the opposite especially in Republican red states like those in Appalachia and the Deep South.  And the Republican Party to their credit has done an absolutely fantastic job in using that to their advantage in presidential elections....

And the use of big words by Ezra Klein, Christy Hardin Smith, and Keith Olbermann while 100 percent right on target tends to turn off the lower-middle-income lower class voters as well especially here in Appalachia and the Deep South.

I am one of the very few college graduates I know whom makes McDowell County his home.  And people here always tells me I'm a genius and smart and "you know more about this than I ever could."

And guess where the biggest "teasing" of me about my education is at:  you guessed it, my very own Pentecostal churches and the people attending them.

Advantage Republicans except for 1 or perhaps 2 candidates here in 2008:

Bill Clinton in '92 and '96 and so far thank God with his wife Hillary Clinton this year 2008.  I'll explain why after concluding these 2 important topics.

2.  Friendliness and politeness

Again advantage Republicans with the exception of Bill Clinton in '92 and '96 and probably Hillary as well here in 2008.

My fellow Appalachians and Southerners not only want a candidate who is 100 percent right on target policy-wise, but they also prefer if not outright demand to be "personal friends" with their elected officials both Democrats and Republicans.  Explanation coming up...

Red Staters Southerners and us Appalachians from southern WV, eastern KY, and southwestern VA expect if not outright demand candidates to "enter their house" if you will and "talk to them 1-on-1" and to their families as well children and pets included.  They want "down home" candidates who speak their language and listen to their concerns even when the candidates themselves....

Get this because this is very very important...

Disagree with them policy-wise and issue-wise as well.  Red staters especially in the Appalachians and the Deep South expect and even outright demand most of the time that the people representing them in any political office to have "personal and social friendships" with them.  In other words somebody just like them who is considerate and will listen to them...

even if they disagree with them 100 percent on the issues.

That's why Republicans Ronald Reagan and the two Bushes to a lesser extent were so successful politically.  Most red staters my fellow Appalachians and Deep Southerners felt "connected" to them even when they disagreed with them strongly on most issues especially economic ones. 

On the other hand Democratic presidential candidates Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis, Al Gore, and John Kerry were fairly or unfairly perceived as being "too boring, too stuck up, and too big for their britches."

Yes we Democrats were 100 percent right most of the time on the issues and the Republicans were 100 percent wrong on them.

However most of the people I know here in McDowell County and the rest of southern West Virginia where I live could care less, even when you agree 100 percent with them on the issues.  The same is true for eastern Kentucky and southwestern Virginia as well.  People here want "friends" and not "politicians."

And this is 100 percent true but in real life as well.  Some of my best friends disagree with me 100 percent on religion and sports and yes politics too - and some of my very worst detractors actually agree with me 100 percent on politics, religion, and sports.  I love the Kentucky Wildcats with all my heart but some of my worst experiences online have been with my fellow UK fans.  I also have had many problems getting along with people here in my home county even though we agree 100 percent on almost every issue politically and otherwise.

And politics is no exception.

Once again advantage Republicans.  Republicans once again  - besides guess who? you probably already know the answer to this question - have done a much better job of using "friendliness" and "politeness" to their advantage even though I know they are 100 percent wrong on political issues.

Red staters especially Deep Southerners and my fellow Appalachians from southern WV, eastern KY, and southwestern VA all demand "personal relationships and friendships" with everybody around here.  Again politicians are no exception.

The only Democratic presidential candidate since Reagan to get it right on these 2 critically important topics is Bill Clinton, and thankfully his wife Hillary seems to be doing the exact same thing now as well.  If you listen to both of them speak they never ever use long words that geniuses Klein, Olbermann, and Smith use and always talk in a language Red Staters especially those in the Deep South and here in Appalachia can easily understand.  Even when most people disagree with them sharply at times myself included they have both been successful in forming "personal friendships and relationships" here.  Bill did it and thank God Hillary seems to have gotten the message as well.

And have you ever noticed both Clintons never ever seem to use big words and talk "intelligent elitist talk" like Smith, Klein, and Olbermann?  They talk in plain, simple language and terms that the "average Joe voter" can always understand.  That's why Americans even many Red Staters love the Clintons even when they disagree with them strongly on everything else policy and issue wise.

Most people myself included didn't give Senator Hillary Clinton a snowball's chance in hell of ever being elected president because of the false perception of her being too impersonal, stuck up, and too elitist for Red Staters esp. in the Deep South and Appalachia.  But thank God she is proving many of her former critics wrong by being downright warm, affectionate, and loving, and by forming "personal relationships and friendships" with voters completely disproving the false negative stereotypes of her being "too intelligent and too elitist for her own good."

That's also the reason she's creaming Edwards and Obama in the Democratic primaries as well and even beating southerner John Edwards at his own game most of the time.

And the number 1 one reason I am now convinced that Hillary Clinton is now the overwhelming favorite not only to win the Democratic primary but the 2008 general election as well.  She has apparently and intelligently as expected taken her husband the best pure politician in our lifetime's wise and savvy advice and is intelligently using her observations of her husband in this very underrated issue today - the issue of being "personal and not political."

Most Americans love and prefer people they can be friends with and still disagree with 100 percent of the time over people they agree with 100 percent time on political issues but stiil treat them like dirt.

And I don't see that ever changing at least in my lifetime.

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Good points (4.00 / 1)


When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

thanks wvblueguy for the promotion (0.00 / 0)
I really appreciate it.

It was really my good friend on another website husker83 who got me to thinking about this.  He deserves props too!

WVa Blue Rocks!


Don't forget Gore didn't even campaign in (4.00 / 2)
West Virginia.  We didn't even have Gore buttons to give out.  He also ran a crappy campaign.  The Al Gore of today bears no resemblance to the Al Gore of yesterday. As for Keith Olberman, he is right on target as you say.  Howevery, if you step back I think you find his tone is much the same as Bill O'Reilly.  No need to be nasty, turns a lot of people off.

People are just beginning to recognize Hillary's faith.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

I haven't found West Virginians to have anything against educated people.  Now "big feelin" people are another story.

What you say goes a long way in explaining Joe Manchin's popularity.

You guys that are working with Unger should take special note of this post.


Northern Panhandle and VP Gore (0.00 / 0)
Al Gore lost the support of the steelworkers here in the Northern Panhandle. Why? Because he, unlike Senators Byrd and Rockefeller as well as then-Governor George W. Bush refused to support Section 301 tariffs on foreign imports of steel. It's quite unfortunate. I believe it was the most obvious reason why the Northern Panhandle went red in 2000.

Do remember that both the Clinton and Gore made a MAJOR 1992 campaign stop in Wheeling. Since being elected, President Bush has made several stops in Wheeling (I protested, of course). Any candidate who wants to win has to come to West Virginia --- and for a hell of a lot more than a fundraiser. I believe Senator Edwards missed out on a convenient and beneficial stop in the Ohio Valley on Labor Day. Senator Obama should have walked with Al Sharpton in Logan and Charleston after its most recent incident. People (aka voters) remember those things.


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You're exactly right (0.00 / 0)
In West Virginia, that shoe leather, retail politics is an important one to winning this state. If the Gore campaign would have not taken the state for granted, he would have won. The Kerry-Edwards campaign's state chairs were terrible. In the Eastern Panhandle, the most effective part of the K-E campaign came from Project Next - a group of young professionals from Washington, D.C. There was next to nothing in this part of the state from the state people.


When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

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Good diary blue! (0.00 / 0)
Blue,
  This was an excellent diary but I don't deserve any credit for it... this was all you! You really nailed one major point though, and that is people are going to vote for people they can best relate to. I think one of the reasons Bill Clinton was so popular in parts of the South, was people could relate to him. He said the right things and had the right accent for many southerners. In the past two elections, Bush had the right rhetoric and accent, especially in TX and OK. I'm guessing you guys have some form of a southern accent down there in southern WV? The friendliness and politeness section was also very interesting and after living in the south for a while, I can definitely relate to that. I'm surprised too that Hillary is connecting well with voters as she comes across to me as being a bit elitist and snobby. There's just something about Edwards that turns people off but Obama really connects with young people (including some republicans) or at least he does up here...

Oh yeah blue, feel free to email me anytime at susker83@yahoo.com. I've got a few election results you might be interested in seeing.


thanks husker83 for the compliments; one suggestion (0.00 / 0)
I don't know whom the webmaster is or whatever.  I've done written down the address and I highly suggest that you whoever this is deletes this because I don't want the trolls and spam headed your way husker83.  A good friend on our site alerted me to that.

I actually think that the "snobby elitist" view of Hillary Clinton is not her true personality but the one the right-wing extremists along with the Main Stream Media has used time and time again to try to convince people that's she's not very friendly when the exact opposite is true.  She is actually one of the nicest and "warmest" people - I heard "warm" is a better word to use to describe Senator Clinton than even "nice" - you've ever met.

I even bought into that for the longest time.  Thank God I was 100 percent wrong as usual.


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