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Teacher's rally for pay raise

by: Clem Guttata

Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 08:25:51 AM EST


Credit: AP
The Associated Press
Meadow Bridge High School principal Al Martine joins in the West Virginia Education Association protest for higher wages at the West Virginia State Capitol in Charleston on Monday.

(Emphasis mine.)

Governor Says He's Offering Teachers More Than 3 Percent

A few hundred teachers, members of the West Virginia Education Association, rallied at the state capitol Monday. Part of their cry was against the governor's three percent pay increase for teachers; they say it's not enough.

The governor reacted in a news release saying the pay hike is really 5.5 percent.

"I'm not convinced the public or even most teachers understand that our budget includes additional classroom teacher pay increases of approximately 5.5 percent," Manchin said.

[snip]

Manchin says that package would result in "a fair and substantial increase in their base pay. This is a well-deserved increase for our teachers and an amount that's fiscally responsible and fair to all taxpayers."

5 1/2 percent raise too small to lift teachers from 48th, WVEA says

By Davin White - Staff writer  

Your proposal is not enough.

Members of the West Virginia Education Association sent that message to Gov. Joe Manchin Monday.

Union officials, teachers and other educators said Manchin's proposed salary increase doesn't make it any easier to work in West Virginia.

"We will remain at '48' based on the amount proposed," said Charlie Delauder, WVEA president, referring to a recent National Education Association report that shows West Virginia ranks 48th in average teacher pay.

[snip]

"We feel that the governor's put out a responsible and practical package," she said.

Delauder said the state should be able to promise new teachers the money to support a spouse, family and buy a home.

Sheila Haid, a teacher at Petersburg Elementary in Grant County and a single parent, said she adds small jobs to help support two sons in college.

"I have to do other things to keep teaching," she said.

She tutors, mows lawns and works at athletic events.

Last summer, she worked for the Division of Highways and flagged motorists in construction zones. That job paid more per hour than her teaching job, she said.

"I really don't need a degree ... if I can tell one side says 'stop,' one says 'slow,'" she said.

[snip]

Last year, teachers received a 3.5 percent salary increase that many said was too low. That raised the minimum salary for starting teachers to $25,832, up from $25,019.

Delauder wants teacher salaries to start at $35,000. The American Federation of Teachers-West Virginia has asked for a similar amount, a $10,000 raise over the next three years.

WVEA member Thomas Fletcher, who teaches in Berkeley County, regularly sees colleagues leave home for better-paying jobs in Virginia and Maryland.

"I'm a teacher and I realize education is the No. 1 priority in the state," he said. "If we say it, then we've got to live it, and we're not living it right now."

[snip]

Also Monday, Delauder and others pushed to allow teachers in a newer retirement system the one-time option of jumping into the older, defined-benefit plan.

Delauder and Adkins said in years past, school employees were given misinformation and encouraged to enroll in the defined-contribution plan. Fletcher said the older system is more secure. Yet for state lawmakers, it's become an unfunded liability that demands tens of millions of dollars each year.

Earlier this month, the state Supreme Court of Appeals declined to consider, by a 3-2 vote, a case regarding the state's bid to merge the two pension programs. Now, the AFT, WVEA and state service personnel association want the Legislature to act.

[snip]

She expects Manchin to work with union representatives and consider the best way to tackle the problem without turning the state's finances "upside-down."

Continued below.

Clem Guttata :: Teacher's rally for pay raise
Teachers say pay proposal 'not enough'

Jan 21, 2008 @ 11:23 PM By BILL ROSENBERGER, The Herald-Dispatch

[snip]

"Just a year ago, we met here to talk about teachers' salary," [WVEA President Charlie]Delauder said to a crowd of about 300. "It's deja vu all over again."

Within an hour of the rally's conclusion, Manchin's office released a statement indicating most of the state's teachers would see a salary increase of 5.5 percent next year. That, the release said, was a combination of Manchin's original 3 percent proposal, a $400 supplement to all classroom teachers (equal to about 1 percent), and the use of local funds distributed to each county.

"Put together, our proposed pay package increase is a significant average of 5 1/2 percent," Manchin stated in a press release. "So our classroom teachers would see a fair and substantial increase in their base pay."

Some teachers disputed Manchin's statement, arguing that each county receives a different amount of local funds, meaning some teachers could see more or less than Manchin's projected figure.

[snip]

"We should not have to appear before legislators every year asking for raises," Delauder said. "Three percent plus $400 would be about $1,600 (per teacher). If we're lucky, maybe we can be 48th next year."

He was referring to a National Education Association report that ranks West Virginia 49th in average teacher salaries for 2005-'06.

He also said the elected leaders must not respect educators because they have allowed the average salary to drop so low so fast. Delauder said that 14 years ago, West Virginia's average salary was 30th in the nation, and at the time, education made up 57 percent of the state's budget.

"Education is the number one priority in the state," Delauder said, pointing out a reference in the state constitution. "If they choose not to follow that, they don't believe in the state constitution they've sworn to uphold."

[snip]

Delegate Brady Paxton, D-Putnam and vice chairman of the House Education Committee, watched the rally and talked to some teachers after the morning session. He said concerns ranged from salaries to retirement to substitutes.

"Everyone has a sad story, and they're all true because of the low salary and retirement," Paxton said.

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WVEA / NEA Data is from 2005 - 06 School Year (4.00 / 2)
I am supportive of teachers, but to be fair, the data and rankings that they are citing is based on data from the 2005-06 school year.

This ignores the raises WV teachers received last year and other raises and salary enhancements that were phased in during the 1st three years of the Manchin administration.  Combined with this year's proposed increases, salaries have increased fairly significantly since 2005, which is the data cited by WVEA. http://www.nea.org/edstats/ima...

The WVEA also tends to use starting salaries in comparison to inflation to describe their wages, which exaggerates the issue when most WV teachers have closer to 20 years of experience plus graduate degrees that increase their salaries.

Meanwhile, WVEA has opposed any efforts to provide local flexibility for teachers' salaries and bonuses for specific content areas.  I think that undercuts their credibility somewhat.

Lastly, they have a bad habit of citing only "across the board" pay raises when saying that they haven't received a raise in x number of years, but the reality is WV teachers receive automatic raises each year based on their years of service, plus even more automatically when completing graduating classes.

Other state employees do not receive annual increases and typically must wait for election years to get a raise.

Finally, many teachers earn twice as much as social workers with comparable education and social workers work year round.  I would enhance their salaries first.

Again, I am a supporter of teachers, but I just think others are MORE underpaid.

In a good conversation everyone speaks.  In a great conversation some even listen.


I'm with Wabi-Sabi.... (4.00 / 2)
Every year we go through this and it always has the feel and smell of the tort reform hysteria. The only teachers I have any sympathy for are the ones in the eastern panhandle, the rest have little to complain about. Comparing average teacher salary to average salary, by state, shows that WV teachers are doing pretty good overall.

Good teachers are hard to find and they should be shown great respect and admiration but the shrillness, statistic manipulation, and empty threats of leaving the state for greener pastures leaves the vast majority of us with a negative impression of an honorable profession.

I remember my high school football coach spending his summers cutting brush on power line right-of-ways and he was better off physically, financially, and spiritually for it.

If there are greener pastures for WV teachers who are more concerned with money than a proffesion that should be treated as a calling, then I say - Go. Please.


The benefits and drawbacks of WV education (4.00 / 3)
As someone who was raised in West Virginia but trained to be a teacher in Ohio, I can say that West Virginia's teacher pay system has both advantages and disadvantages. One advantage is centralized pay. For example, teachers across the state are held to a relatively similar pay scale. In Ohio, salaries vary WIDELY by district resulting in disproportionate qualifications of teachers and student performance. Here's the downside to West Virginia and why I ultimately decided not to teach in WV: If you have a doctoral degree and 30 years of teaching experience in WV, you cannot make more than $50,000/yr. For a long time, there has been a very strict scale for pay. Bachelors maxed out at $30,000; Masters maxed out at $40000; and Doctoral maxed out at $50000. In order to make more than that, you must become an administrator. If I had decided to teach in West Virginia, my starting pay in Ohio County would have been about $23,500/yr. Because of a rather loose retirement system, many teachers in the Northern Panhandle would retire at age 53-55 and then go across the river to Ohio in order to get a $20K-$25K pay raise. One final note. Here's the true sign of dedicated teachers in West Virginia: the state with the 48th lowest pay has the 14th best performing schools in the United States. Legislators should consider a major hike to teacher pay in West Virginia such that no first-year teacher earns less than $28K/yr. Teachers should not max out their pay at $50K/yr. Raise that level to $75K/yr. If such actions are not taken, you will see the biggest turnover rate in almost 30 years.

You make a good point... (4.00 / 1)
but the numbers you're citing are not current.

Current WV Code 18A-4-2 states that 1st year teachers with a Bachelor's Degree earn $26,227 / year and the top salary for those with 35 years + a Doctorate is $50,467 + a $600 bonus for having 20+ yrs of experience.  If they are Nationally Certified that's another $3,500.

All together that maxes out at $54,567 / year for a 200 day employment contract. (And that's before the Governor's proposed pay raise for this year, which is likely to be $1,500 - $2,800 more for the aforementioned teacher.)

Do teachers deserve more? Yes.

Are teachers the highest priority for salary increases? In my opinion, no.



In a good conversation everyone speaks.  In a great conversation some even listen.


[ Parent ]
I realize that (4.00 / 2)
I realize my numbers are slightly off because it's been a couple of years, but I can also tell you that the same position would have started at between $36000 and $40000 in east central Ohio. Even with your current numbers, that would still be between an $8000 and $12000 difference per year. Oh, and if you think most teachers' jobs end after 200 days, think again. The average person works between 245 and 260 days per years.  

[ Parent ]
The standard employment term is 200 days (0.00 / 0)
Per WV CODE ยง18-5-45.
...
(1) An employment term for teachers of no less than two hundred days, exclusive of Saturdays and Sundays; and
(2) Within the employment term, an instructional term for students of no less than one hundred eighty separate instructional days.
...

A 240 day contract is generally considered a "year-round" contract, which is reserved for principals and other school administrators.  Unless you have a specific source, I doubt that "the average person (teacher) works between 245 and 260 days per year".

Also, I am more than 90% sure that teachers working more than the standard 200 day employment term receive extra compensation for doing so.

Again, I'm not saying that teachers don't deserve raises (they do) or that they don't make less than in neighboring states (they do).  However, teachers' salaries are closer to national averages than most salaries in WV, and there are other professionals working in thankless jobs for the state that get far less.

I know that (most) teachers work hard, but so do CPS workers, other social workers, mental health workers, health care workers and correctional officers to name a few.


In a good conversation everyone speaks.  In a great conversation some even listen.


[ Parent ]
Wasn't talking about teachers (0.00 / 0)
I wasn't talking about teachers when I said "the average person works between 245 and 260 days per year." I was referring to someone employed five days a week with standard holidays and vacation.  

[ Parent ]
Sorry for the misunderstanding, (0.00 / 0)
but I'm still not sure how working 45 - 60 days less than "the average person" per year justifies paying higher salaries for teachers?

In a good conversation everyone speaks.  In a great conversation some even listen.


[ Parent ]
The keyword... (0.00 / 0)
Retention.

[ Parent ]
Nope, the keyword is ... (0.00 / 0)
Coherent, as in having a coherent argument.

As a reminder you said:

Oh, and if you think most teachers' jobs end after 200 days, think again. The average person works between 245 and 260 days per years.  

It seems pretty clear that you're trying to imply that teachers work more than 200 days and closer to "the average person".  But after I backed up my statement with the WV Code citation, you said you meant something different, but you have yet to show how the fact that teachers work 45 - 60 days less per year (9 - 12 weeks) is a reasonable justification for them earning more salary than other professionals with comparable education?

If you want to state the merits of increased teacher pay, then please do so, but telling me to "think again" and posting a snarky comment like your "retention" reference is not appreciated.  Especially, when I've taken care to provide a citation backing up my statements, while you have not.

In a good conversation everyone speaks.  In a great conversation some even listen.


[ Parent ]
I already explained to you the justification... (0.00 / 0)
West Virginia teachers have the 48th lowest pay in the United States, yet we have the 14th best performing schools in the United States according to Education Week. That's reason enough to support a pay raise. But hey... if you want our qualified teachers (who are required to continue their education throughout their careers unlike most workers) to leave for Ohio and Pennsylvania where they'll make $20,000 more per year. Fine. Start homeschooling your child now.

[ Parent ]
Actually, Education Week gave WV an F for K-12 Achievement (0.00 / 0)
http://www.edweek.org/apps/qc2...

Nice straw man on the "wanting teachers to leave the state" comment though.  

In a good conversation everyone speaks.  In a great conversation some even listen.


[ Parent ]
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