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White voters in West Virginia

by: Carnacki

Thu Nov 06, 2008 at 21:27:36 PM EST


A funny thing happened on election day. Despite being told over and over again...

The press, however, will lap up the talking points of the pundits, Clinton spinners (and Republicans) that losing Kentucky and West Virginia means that Obama won't do well with White voters, when it really means voters in Appalachia aren't ready to vote for a Black candidate, even though in most of the rest of the country they are.

...the reality is white voters in West Virginia, the state where every county is in Appalachia, voted for the black candidate Barack Obama at the same level as they did the white candidate John Kerry in 2004.

Not only that, but there's a razor's margin of difference with how Obama fared with white voters in West Virginia for Obama with white voters nationally for Obama.

National
Vote by race
White voters 43 percent Obama

West Virginia
Vote by race
White voters 41 percent Obama

westvirginiaforobama-Logan Audience

Audience at the Williamson Fire Hall, Mingo County, West Virginia during the Tour for Change.

While the figure is much lower than I'd prefer in West Virginia, here are some comparisons with other states across the nation.

North Carolina
Vote by race
White voters 37 percent

Florida
Vote by race
White voters 42 percent

Both states where Obama won. West Virginia's white population is 95 percent white, 3.5 percent African American and 1.5 percent other. If we had similar demographics as North Carolina, Obama's margin of victory likely would have been larger than in blue North Carolina.

Texas
Vote by race
White voters 26 percent

So some would argue those are southern states. How does West Virginia compare to other states?

Kansas
Vote by race
White voters 40 percent

Montana
Vote by race
White voters 45 percent

South Dakota
Vote by race
White voters  41 percent

North Dakota
Vote by race
White voters 42 percent

New Mexico
Vote by race
White voters 42 percent

Nebraska
Vote by race
White voters 39 percent

Indiana
Vote by race
White voters 45 percent

I never denied - despite claims by some that racism is not a factor here. My criticism has long been that the allegation was not "some in Appalachia" or "too many in Appalachia" but that "Appalachia" was not ready to vote for a black candidate. Not only did that overgeneralize the issue, it created a starting off point that made it impossible to have a substantive discussion on the issues involved. By overplaying the importance of racism, it undercut honest discussion on the topic and drowned out all other conversation. It simply perpetuated a negative stereotype - one too readily accepted by many here. It also ignores African Americans have won elected office here at the state and county level. Appalachia has become such an easy scapegoat so when in a front page post on the 22 percent of counties where Republicans gained votes over 2004, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana and Texas were lumped in as part of the Appalachia region.

My goal has long been to find the reasons why these counties have trended red in once reliable blue West Virginia. That trend began long before Barack Obama was our nominee for president and race did not cloud the issue.

For West Virginia Blue I've begun that discussion by phone and email with numerous people to take a broader view. That view has long been needed, but was put off due to daily demands of the state blog and as a canvasser for Obama and state candidates. The irony is that even as West Virginia went red again for presidential races, we appear to have trended more blue in our state and county races. Only one Republican holds a seat in Congress, Shelley Moore Capito. The GOP lost their only statewide held seat, Secretary of State, when Natalie Tennant won election there. We also gained two more Democrats on the state Supreme Court and held off a strong challenge for Democratic incumbent Attorney General Darrell McGraw despite the Chamber of Commerce spending $1.1 million to buy those races.

To turn West Virginia back in the Democratic column it belongs requires a hard look at many issues, including the troubling factor of racism. Placing all of the blame on one issue, however, fails to help find a solution.

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Ok, you have at least partially convinced me.  I would love to be included in your discussion group if you are interested, because this drives me utterly insane.  There has to be a way  to turn this around.    

Speaking of racism, however, I want to share the following from a friend of a friend who spent election night in New Orleans.  It is horrifying.

We were in New Orleans for the election--the Quarter was spooky quiet, with all the shutters closed.

Almost all of the black people were completely straight-faced. Perhaps afraid of reprisals since only 20% of whites in LA voted for Obama.  We walked the quarter, which now is mostly white anyway, and only saw one outburst of celebration by a  group of 4 young black men.  There was an election viewing party by Young Black Professionals, and it was very low-key.  I mean black people seemed afraid to show any emotion or even acknowledge what had just happened.  I quietly said to one of the women we passed--"We're so excited," and she flashed me a secret smile.  A small truck with black sanitation workers riding on the back went by and we shouted "Obama" and they just looked at us stone-faced.

There was one white gay man shouting "Obama" and we joined him, then he yelled to the air--"shoot my ass, I don't care."  There was a group of very vocal white people (4 or 5) on a balcony--possibly tourists, yelling for joy, and a bar full of young white people celebrating. It was the quietest I've ever seen the Quarter.  Almost no one on the street.

The day before, I had overheard a Latino man from Texas talking to a black man in his 70s or 80s about how Obama is not qualified, and the black man said, "He's too young."  I felt that it was agreement for the sake of staying out of controversy. I spoke up and said that we had voted for him.

A gay man we know, who is probably Republican, though he said he voted for Obama, went to vote at a 9th Ward polling place and he said there was a poster at the polling place announcing an Obama victory party.  He said that he told them it wasn't allowed there and they ignored him, so he ripped it off the wall.

There was an election viewing party in the Lower 9th that we wanted to go to and vascillated about for a long time--but we were afraid to go there after dark, thinking we'd have to park some way off and walk in the dark to get to the Lower Ninth Ward Village--a community center of sorts.

The next morning, we went to get coffee in our hotel coffee shop, where there was a black parking attendant in his 70s and a 50's-ish coffee shop waiter/manager.  The older man had the paper with Obama headlines in front of him, hidden by his forearms, and they were both expressionless.  We said, "We're so happy and excited that Obama won; we and my 88 year old mother voted for him."  Then they began talking about how sincere and beautiful his speech was and how hopeful they are, and how much it means.  "Let me get you some coffee, baby," the manager said to us.  We all had tears in our eyes.  We hugged the manager before we left to head back to Texas.



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When a person chooses to vote, it's usually a very complex decision. Race may be a factor, but for those who saw race as the only factor, I bet they wouldn't vote for a Democrat anyway.

I do worry, though, that the state GOP will start making inroads, simply because the state's electorate has made the leap to vote Republican three times in a row. And I know that the state leadership isn't that awesome, but they are organized at the county level in a way I've not seen before. (Maybe it's just my county).

Then there's a problem that people on the left and in the Center-Left coalition that is the Democratic Party have: we like to fight each other far more than we like to fight the other side.  


race and presidential politics in wv (4.00 / 3)
I do not disagree that the national media overgeneralizes about racism in WV but we cannot deny the fact that a lot of low information voters in WV did not vote for Obama because of his skin color and his Muslim sounding name.  It is just an ugly reality that we have to work to change.  I am not saying other states have a lot of work to do as well but we have to address what exists in our own back yard regardless of whether or not our neighbors do.

Having said that, I do not think a discussion on getting the state to turn blue again in presidential elections should focus on race.  They are separate problems with only some overlap in this most unique of elections.  

As progressives, we have to find ways to counter punch the God, guns and gays arguments used against our more liberal national candidates if we ever hope to have more liberal state candidates. These arguments have to be simple enough to understand and concise enough to go on a bumper sticker.  


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Lots of Dems at the table. I was the youngest there. Two are my dad's age, 80/81. One's a retired teacher; the other retired federal employee. Another man is retired WVDOH, probably just a few years older than me. Now Dad still lives in CA and he told his grandchildren he was voting for my man Barack Hussein Obama. The vote split there along the Sierra Nevada Moutains pretty much

The retired teacher was sure that the "media picked the President, they were so unfair to Hillary, etc". WVDOH said that was months ago. WVDOH and I both said something about the election yesterday and how the turnout was high and the results were not close. That was nice to be able to hear someone else say.

The biggest resistance I came across was some on the Planning Commission. That meets the third Tuesdays. It is a very small sample. Pentecostal these guys are not. I think that explains the NYT map some. In some towns churches split, not on color but North/South allegiance. This part of W. Va. is different in so many ways from the rest of the state.

The red streak goes down to Baylor, So. Baptist territory, and through that hate-monger Oklahoma "Christian" Rev. Phelps. The Ky./Va. border is red but Boucher in the SW of Va. had no opponent in VA-09.

Tennessee is so shifted red no matter what year you pick. Gore was like Liddy Dole, not known at home?

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance


Kudos (4.00 / 2)
Very acute analysis, Carnacki. (no wait - IM Carnacki...)

I am so very proud of Boone County in the southern coalfields. Once Hillary lost, I doubted Barack had a chance down there. Great story in the Charleston Gazette today shines a little light on what happened.  


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