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It looks like torture was used to get false confessions...

by: btchakir

Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 08:28:50 AM EDT


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...which connected Al Qaida with Iraq.

In a McClatchy article:

A former U.S. Army psychiatrist, Maj. Charles Burney, told Army investigators in 2006 that interrogators at the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, detention facility were under "pressure" to produce evidence of ties between al Qaida and Iraq.

"While we were there a large part of the time we were focused on trying to establish a link between al Qaida and Iraq and we were not successful in establishing a link between al Qaida and Iraq," Burney told staff of the Army Inspector General. "The more frustrated people got in not being able to establish that link . . . there was more and more pressure to resort to measures that might produce more immediate results."

We know now that connections between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaida did not exist.
btchakir :: It looks like torture was used to get false confessions...

McClatchy continues:
Former Vice President Dick Cheney and others who advocated the use of sleep deprivation, isolation and stress positions and waterboarding, which simulates drowning, insist that they were legal.

A former senior U.S. intelligence official familiar with the interrogation issue said that Cheney and former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld demanded that intelligence agencies and interrogators find evidence of al Qaida-Iraq collaboration.

And more information is coming out from other sources.

According to the NY Times there was no investigation into the past use of torture techniques:

According to several former top officials involved in the discussions seven years ago, they did not know that the military training program, called SERE, for Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape, had been created decades earlier to give American pilots and soldiers a sample of the torture methods used by Communists in the Korean War, methods that had wrung false confessions from Americans.

Even George J. Tenet, the C.I.A. director who insisted that the agency had thoroughly researched its proposal and pressed it on other officials, did not examine the history of the most shocking method, the near-drowning technique known as waterboarding.

Perhaps, if this had been looked into, we would have known that waterboarding leads to false confessions.

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I just made the similar points (4.00 / 2)
in a comment under Carnacki's diary. So that is why there were 266 drown, revive and repeat episodes. There was no there there. I'll repeat myself. Sick.

And I don't buy the argument that if we did not act like others in the lists of gruesome tyrants in history, that that makes this country a pansy, and an advantage to those wanting to practice sadism in the name of revenge. The rule of law over the petty weaknesses of men is what had always made this country the best.

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Water torture has always only been about false confessions (4.00 / 1)
Water torture has always been about false confessions. It was in the Spanish Inquisition, it was for Stalin, and it was for the North Koreans.  Water torture has never been about getting reliable information.

Are you saying that just because US leaders didn't look specifically at waterboarding's past, they didn't know that?

You say that "We know now that connections between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaida did not exist." I don't know what "we" you are talking about.  The CIA was repeatedly telling Rumsfeld and Cheney throughout 2002 and 2003 that Al Qaeda and Iraq were bitter enemies. Press accounts at the time repeated these reports.

There is no question that Cheney and Rumsfeld were lying to the world when they said US torture was about preventing another Al Qaeda attack. It was always about "fixing the intelligence" around the Iraq invasion.


We still don't know exactly what they did in Cairo to get the WMD intel upon which Colin Powell relied, but the CIA damn well knew that intel was highly suspect. (0.00 / 0)
Ibn al Sheikh al Libi, the former al Qaeda camp commander was described by former CIA director George Tenet in his autobiography last year as "the highest ranking al-Qa'ida member in U.S. custody" just after 9/11.

This is what we know so far of how the primary WMD evidence that took us into Iraq was extracted.

In this secret facility known to prisoners as "The Hangar" and believed to be at Bagram Air Base north of Kabul, al Libi told fellow "ghost prisoners," one recalled to me for a PBS "Frontline" to be broadcast tonight, an incredible story of his treatment over the previous two years: of how questioned at first by Americans, by the FBI and then CIA, of how he was threatened with torture. And then how he was rendered to a jail cell in Egypt where the threats became a reality.
Stephen Grey is the reporter for the documentary "Extraordinary Rendition" that was broadcast on Frontline/World, Tuesday, Nov. 6 on PBS.

Sheikh al Libi's confession was what convinced Congress to give Bush permission to remove Hussein "by any means necessary". Had they known of the CIA's lack of confidence in that confession, they likely would never have taken us to war.


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