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Panetta: Don't take our word for it

by: Carnacki

Sat May 16, 2009 at 12:22:47 PM EDT


Like a good boss, Leon Panetta is wanting to cover for his people, but - via TalkingPointsMemo - Greg Sargent notes that Leon Panetta's statement is less than an unequivocal denial:

But Panetta is also amplifying and repeating the agency's refusal to promise that the recently-released documents offer a reliable version of how and when members of Congress were briefed on the use of torture techniques.

Panetta sent a note today to CIA employees, which you can read right here. Here's the key part:

Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing "the enhanced techniques that had been employed." Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.

That's pushback against Pelosi, to be sure. But that's not all it is. The agency also restated the agency's earlier unwillingness to vouch for the overall reliability of what the docs say about what happened. He's saying, in effect, that only Congress can determine the truth about what members of Congress were told.

That's not a call for a Congressional probe. But it does seem like a suggestion that such a probe is the only way the truth can be established. If nothing else, the CIA is redoubling its efforts to distance itself from the political charges some are making - on the basis of CIA info - about who knew what and when about torture.

But as Sargent notes in his earlier link, the Panetta's reiterated that the accuracy of the CIA's records has to be verified. Considering how many visits Vice President Dick Cheney made to the CIA to successfully fix the intelligence that he wanted in the runup to the Iraq war, the accuracy of the CIA's contemperaneous records is questionable, particularly when Sen. Jay Rockefeller and Sen. Bob Graham have called the accuracy into question as well as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

This is yet another reason for a full investigation into the torture and coverup by the Bush administration. If Democrats also were complicit, so be it. I've stated before this is an issue that rises above mere politics. But at this point, the efforts by the rightwingers are nothing more than an attempt to play politics, hoping that attempts to link Democrats to the scandal will create a poison pill. So far, and this is highly indicative that the rightwinger's effort is failing, Pelosi, Rockefeller and Graham welcome that investigation.

Attorney General Eric Holder should appoint a special prosecutor immediately. I recommend due to his experience and expertise it should be U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald who has shown in the past he pursues a case regardless of whether Republicans or Democrats were involved.

Update: Think Progress has an excellent piece on how the rightwingers have miscalculated, thinking they could shut down investigations by trying to drag Pelosi and other Democrats into the debate:

For weeks, conservatives have been launching hypocritical and disingenuous attacks on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) regarding her level of knowledge of the Bush administration's torture program.

Fox News conservatives are revealing one of the underlying motives for these attacks - to diminish calls for a truth commission on torture.

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Pelosi has been clear that recent questions about her level of knowledge about Bush's torture program only add more - not less - need for an investigation to take place. "Until a truth commission comes into being, I encourage the appropriate committees of the House to conduct vigorous oversight of these issues," Pelosi said.

If conservatives were being honest about their criticisms, they'd be taking up Pelosi's desire for a full investigation, an inquiry that would not only examine what members of Congress knew but also the prominent role Cheney played in authorizing illegal acts.

The rightwingers are terrified about what will come out which is why they are desperate to stop it by dragging in Democrats. Pelosi and Rockefeller are for full investigations and if they did something wrong, they'd have the most to lose by such inquiries. Yet they're for them. Why other Democrats are fearful of the truth coming out is a mystery.

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Slate has a sensible take on this: (0.00 / 0)
by John Dickerson.

http://www.slate.com/id/2218392/

Really worth reading. A couple of key grafs as to the political fallout aspects:

Pelosi didn't help her credibility Thursday when she admitted that despite earlier denials, she did later know water-boarding was being used. Her explanation for the discrepancy: Her previous denials were about what she personally had been briefed on. She learned about water-boarding from a staffer. That kind of parsing is hard to sustain in a public fight. It also raises questions about why, if she was so adamant about torture, she didn't do more at the time. By contrast, when John McCain learned about water-boarding, he did get exercised about it and took measures to stop it.

Yesterday, administration officials and Democratic political veterans were puzzled by Pelosi's gambit. She's put the spotlight on herself and has given weakened Republicans a fight they can enjoy, engage in, and possibly win. They can't put a scratch on the popular president, but Pelosi and the Democratic Congress are not as popular. Normally a politician in Pelosi's position could say she's moving forward to do important business rather than picking at the past, but she and other Democrats are the ones advocating for rummaging through the past.



This is the difference (0.00 / 0)
between the House and the Senate, in a nutshell. Speaker Pelosi was not Speaker Pelosi until January 2007.

In the minority in the House, Nancy was Rep. Pelosi, before she was Speaker. With the Rules Committee having two Republicans to every Democrat, no bill would have made it to the floor. A discharge petition takes 218 signatures, a majority in the House. Remember how much luck Rep. Kucinich had with that? The non-legislative recourse is a privileged motion on the floor, as Rep. Fake is doing with the campaign contributions and defense earmarks. It is not working.

In the Senate, any one Senator can hold up a bill. Remember the two years the National Wilderness and Parks bill was held up by Sen. Coburn? One Senator can attach an amendment to any other bill, like guns in those wilderness areas as part of credit card reform.

Sen. McCain had many more options, and in January 2003 the added bonus of the majority. As a CSPAN junkie, this optic on the past "what she should have done" matters.

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More than valid points, CA B. n/t (0.00 / 0)
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As for me, in the latter stages of February... (0.00 / 0)
I sent out e-mails asking people to support Senator Leahy and the creation of a Truth Commission.

I've also publicly and privately stated that if torture was used, especially as an official instrument of American policy, to extract false confessions (or even true ones, had there been any) to justify the Bush administration's selling of the bogus Iraq war, it's something that we as a nation must have on the historical record.

But I've also said, here and elsewhere, that there are serious political risks here, especially if career CIA and military people get prosecuted for doing what they were told was their legal, professional and patriotic duty. And certainly so if they're the ones prosecuted while higher-ups aren't.


Contractors (0.00 / 0)
Dick Cheney's favorite GI. Makes it even more perverse, INHO.

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