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Misperceptions about President Obama's speech

by: Carnacki

Thu May 21, 2009 at 15:28:56 PM EDT


There seems to be a lot of misperception about what President Barack Obama said today. Hopefully this post, A Justice Dept. Attorney's Take on Obama's Speech, will clear it up for those confused:

As a Justice Department attorney,* I would like to comment on Obama's speech with regard to the issue of prosecutions over torture and the establishment of a Truth Commission, issues that have been the subject of much debate and discussion here.  I know that there has been a fair amount of consternation based on the premise that the President has all but ruled out investigations or examinations into possible violations of the law concerning torture.  Jesselyn Radack has presented one skeptical view, and others have agreed.  Such skepticism is fueled, I think, by the President's few statements about this issue.

This was an opportunity for the President to address the issue of torture prosecutions and truth commissions more clearly.  Indeed, I suspect that the expressed dissatisfaction from some progressives and discussions on sites like DailyKos raised the issue to a level where it had to be addressed today.      

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But here's the point: although Obama's speech was powerful enough that he could have declared that there will be no further investigation or examination of the legality or illegality of the use of torture, and even though he did declare set positions on several key issues,  I did not hear such foreclosure with regard to possible prosecutions.

Key passage:

I know that these debates lead directly to a call for a fuller accounting, perhaps through an Independent Commission.

I have opposed the creation of such a Commission because I believe that our existing democratic institutions are strong enough to deliver accountability. The Congress can review abuses of our values, and there are ongoing inquiries by the Congress into matters like enhanced interrogation techniques. The Department of Justice and our courts can work through and punish any violations of our laws.

That passage packs a significant amount of punch. A significant amount.  

That statement, that language quoted above, was reviewed and approved by more than Obama and Rahm and Jon Favreau.  You can rest assured that the language of that speech was vetted within the White House and by the Attorney General, by State and DOD, CIA and NSA.  Presidents do not give a speech of such importance without serious review of what will be said.  Okay, maybe the last one didn't.  But I assure you this one does.

Emphasis and italics in the original.

Closing Gitmo and letting the Justice Department do its job is what those of us in the Jump Up and Down Hysterically Club have wanted.

Update

For a man who is supposed to be on vacation, Andrew Sullivan is on fire:

A simple note having now read the former vice-president's despicable and disgraceful speech. It confirms the very worst of him, and reveals just how callow, just how arrogant, and just how reckless and unrepentant this man is and has long been. There was not a whisper of regret or reflection; there was a series of lies and distortions, a reckless attack on a graceful successor, inheriting a world of intractable problems, and a reminder that while serious men and women will indeed move on, Cheney never will. He remains a threat to this country's constitution as he remains a stain on its honor and moral standing. I never believed I would hear a vice-president of the United States not simply defend torture but insist on pride in it, insist on its honor. But that is what he said, with that sly grin insisting that fear always beats reason, that violence always beats dialogue, and that torture is always an American value.

Update 2

Jesselyn Radack, a former attorney with DoJ and one of the skeptics mentioned above, agrees with the assessment about what Obama's speech today means to those who want investigations of torture.

I agree with his analysis of President Obama's speech (and appreciate him crediting me and other Kossacks with forcing the issue of torture prosecutions).

Radack, who was fired after being a whistleblower, does disagree with Lars about the DoJ's Office of Professional Responsibility, but that's a separate issue.

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LOL... Surber just banned me (4.00 / 2)
Don Surber, Republican coward, just banned me from posting comments on his blog. LOL. Idiots.

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Instaputz banned you? (4.00 / 1)
What a badge of honor!
What did you do, wave fire in front of the Strawman?

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Here's what I said (4.00 / 1)
If Republicans want to know why America continues to reject them, they only need to read Don Surber's blogs and his right-wing extremist posters.

Here's a Public Policy poll released today for you Republiscum to enjoy:
"Looking toward 2012, none of the most mentioned potential Republican contenders are finding a lot of momentum. In hypothetical contests Obama leads Mike Huckabee 52-39, Newt Gingrich 53-36, Mitt Romney 53-35, and Sarah Palin 56-37."

http://blogs.dailymail.com/don...


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Probably because you reported Mittens (0.00 / 0)
polled the lowest in that list!

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WV26003 (0.00 / 0)
Don Surber and others of his ilk can't handle the truth. He's the face of the Republican Party in more ways than one.

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

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Chaney does appear as a troll crawling out from under a rock. (4.00 / 1)
  Chaney is looking more slimey all the time.

   


just read (0.00 / 0)
the text of cheneys speech...i love the guy!

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we know, the ends justify the means (4.00 / 1)
What do you have against Article I of the Constitution?

Why read the speech, He took it a Guiliani stump speech. What did Biden say, "A Noun, a Verb, and 9/11"

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oh yes (0.00 / 0)
sometimes the ends do justify the means

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steve (0.00 / 0)
You never answered the question about whether you had a problem with the Iraqi boys raped in front of their mothers and fathers to gain information at Abu Ghraib. You're fine with that, right? The ends justify the means, right?

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

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Do you remember Jack Goldsmith at OLC? (4.00 / 1)
Even if you don't, read this. Cheney's speech was aimed at those who ran the second Bush term.

You love Cheney because? He is so friendly when he argues with himself? Because he believes in monarchy? Because he has disdain for the directly elected people's representatives? Because he is a chickenhawk?

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Cheney admitted they didn't take threats seriously (4.00 / 1)
He's said they took threats seriously after Sept. 11. Yet Richard Clarke and others in the Clinton administration had warned them to take the Al Quaeda threats seriously. Instead, they focused on China and SDI systems that will never work and Ashcroft even cut the counterterrorism budget released Sept. 10th. Cheney and Bush, and it's clear who led the last administration, failed miserably to do anything to protect the country and steve's fine with that.


When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

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and now he brags (0.00 / 0)
about releasing people who returned to jihad. I doubt the definition, since just living in the neighborhood of a radical mosque in Karachi gets you on this list, but what logic is this? Not only did 9-11 happen on their watch and that is supposed to be good for 43, but now this?

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We know you digest (0.00 / 0)
half-truths when they suit you with all the gusto of a hungry five-year old. Why not take in some analysis from the news service who reported the facts about the Case for Iraq instead of the propaganda that Cheney continues to spew?

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CA Berkeley (0.00 / 0)
Because knowing the truth makes it harder for people to self-deceive themselves and the false reality they'd rather create is more pleasant to them than reality.

O/T is it ok to send the Living Liberally people your email address and that you're taking over as the chapter organizer for Drinking Liberally?

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.


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sure (0.00 / 0)
I did NOT sign up for DL using the yahoo account in my profile here. You know that, right? Does that matter?

If there a Facebook group, I used the wvablue profile email there. TMI, I know.

#4--graduation tomorrow. #5--graduation next Saturday. Municipal election beginning of June. I will be looking forward to a night out.

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Further proving a theory (4.00 / 1)
Your statement loving Cheney further proves a theory that you rely on self-deception and are eager to embrace lies:

Cheney's speech contained omissions, misstatements

WASHINGTON - Former Vice President Dick Cheney's defense Thursday of the Bush administration's policies for interrogating suspected terrorists contained omissions, exaggerations and misstatements.

In his address to the American Enterprise Institute , a conservative policy organization in Washington , Cheney said that the techniques the Bush administration approved, including waterboarding - simulated drowning that's considered a form of torture - forced nakedness and sleep deprivation, were "legal" and produced information that "prevented the violent death of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of innocent people."

He quoted the Director of National Intelligence, Adm. Dennis Blair , as saying that the information gave U.S. officials a "deeper understanding of the al Qaida organization that was attacking this country."

In a statement April 21 , however, Blair said the information "was valuable in some instances" but that "there is no way of knowing whether the same information could have been obtained through other means. The bottom line is that these techniques hurt our image around the world, the damage they have done to our interests far outweighed whatever benefit they gave us and they are not essential to our national security."

A top-secret 2004 CIA inspector general's investigation found no conclusive proof that information gained from aggressive interrogations helped thwart any "specific imminent attacks," according to one of four top-secret Bush-era memos that the Justice Department released last month.

FBI Director Mueller Robert Muller told Vanity Fair magazine in December that he didn't think that the techniques disrupted any attacks.

- Cheney said that President Barack Obama's decision to release the four top-secret Bush administration memos on the interrogation techniques was "flatly contrary" to U.S. national security, and would help al Qaida train terrorists in how to resist U.S. interrogations.

However, Blair, who oversees all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, said in his statement that he recommended the release of the memos, "strongly supported" Obama's decision to prohibit using the controversial methods and that "we do not need these techniques to keep America safe."

- Cheney said that the Bush administration "moved decisively against the terrorists in their hideouts and their sanctuaries, and committed to using every asset to take down their networks."

The former vice president didn't point out that Osama bin Laden and his chief lieutenant, Ayman al Zawahri , remain at large nearly eight years after 9-11 and that the Bush administration began diverting U.S. forces, intelligence assets, time and money to planning an invasion of Iraq before it finished the war in Afghanistan against al Qaida and the Taliban .

In this case, the self deception is so strong because the reality is so harsh.

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.


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I linked to the same article (4.00 / 1)
directly on McClathcy. We were thinking alike.

The rest of the text after the link is weird in the post as the underline blue shows up for non-html. I usually use auto-format. Switching to WYSIWYG fixes the problem, but I am too set in my ways to use it all the time.

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