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Rape at Abu Ghraib, war crimes and the nation's torture policy

by: Carnacki

Thu May 28, 2009 at 11:47:13 AM EDT


Retired colonel and former chief of staff to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell in 2006:

Documents and memos that have already made their way into the public domain make it clear that the Office of the Vice President bears responsibility for creating an environment conducive to the acts of torture and murder committed by U.S. forces in the war on terror.

There is, in my view, insufficient evidence to walk into an American courtroom and win a legal case (though an international courtroom for war crimes might feel differently).  But there is enough evidence for a soldier of long service -- someone like me with 31 years in the Army -- to know that what started with John Yoo, David Addington, Alberto Gonzales, William Haynes at the Pentagon, and several others, all under the watchful and willing eye of the Vice President, went down through the Secretary of Defense to the commanders in the field, and created two separate pressures that resulted in the violation of longstanding practice and law.

These two pressures were, on the one hand, the understandable pressure to produce intelligence as rapidly as possible, and on the other hand, the creation of an environment best described as "the gloves coming off" -- or better, the gloves ARE off.

The Daily Telegraph of London today:

At least one picture shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner while another is said to show a male translator raping a male detainee.

Further photographs are said to depict sexual assaults on prisoners with objects including a truncheon, wire and a phosphorescent tube.

Another apparently shows a female prisoner having her clothing forcibly removed to expose her breasts.

Detail of the content emerged from Major General Antonio Taguba, the former army officer who conducted an inquiry into the Abu Ghraib jail in Iraq.

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Maj Gen Taguba's internal inquiry into the abuse at Abu Ghraib, included sworn statements by 13 detainees, which, he said in the report, he found "credible based on the clarity of their statements and supporting evidence provided by other witnesses."

Among the graphic statements, which were later released under US freedom of information laws, is that of Kasim Mehaddi Hilas in which he says: "I saw [name of a translator] ******* a kid, his age would be about 15 to 18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn't covered and I saw [name] who was wearing the military uniform, putting his **** in the little kid's ***.... and the female soldier was taking pictures."

Do the ends justify the means as at least one person here claimed? The reason Dick Cheney is every where trying to justify torture is he's trying to pre-empt the criminal investigations here and internationally.

As this analysis shows, Cheney's defensive efforts are crumbling.

From day 1, the Bush cabal has relied upon the defense of legal advice of counsel to avoid prosecution. Step 1 was to obtain a legal opinion from OLC to "authorize" torture because its ops carry the force of law within the executive branch.   Bush officials then maintained that torture was "authorized". Step 2 was enacting a law that advice of legal counsel was a defense to torture charges. But, what happens if the OLC memos do not constitute legal advice of counsel because Bush Team and the torture lawyers rigged the OLC process to render fraudulent opinions? Then the main defense from torture prosecutions is bye bye.

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[ Cheney ] may be a little panicked because Obama plans to release the Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) report this summer, maybe even next month. If the cumulative findings of misconduct in this report show that the torture lawyers acted as advocates rather than advisers, then the memos did not constitute appropriate OLC legal advice.

Thus, the Lizzie/Dickie campaign may be their preemptive strike to make their case before the OPR report is publicly released. The stakes are high for Dickie because if the legal advice defense is eliminated, then he will have the impossible burden of proving that the prisoners were not tortured unless he has a Plan B defense.

We have already seen hints of Plan B: Bush was the Unilateral Decider and I just followed orders in my subordinate role!  Cheney and Rice have already shifted gears, pointing fingers at Bush and the "administration", respectively, as having authorized the torture rather than relying on the torture memos as "authority" provided by advice of counsel.

The release of the photos, blocked by President Barack Obama, will occur eventually. The best way to protect the troops is to show that those behind the policies that encouraged such illegal actions are accountable to our nation's laws.

It is impossible to defend the indefensible, however.

As President Obama said:

I have opposed the creation of such a Commission because I believe that our existing democratic institutions are strong enough to deliver accountability. The Congress can review abuses of our values, and there are ongoing inquiries by the Congress into matters like enhanced interrogation techniques. The Department of Justice and our courts can work through and punish any violations of our laws.

The gears of Justice often grind slow, but they do grind on. Once the report is out that I suspect will show the OLC attorneys twisted the law and acted outside of their professional responsibilities, then any pretense of a defense is gone from Cheney - and George W. Bush - for their share of responsibility for these horrendous crimes.

Cheney and Bush were quick to throw the soldiers like West Virginia's own Lynndie England out to serve as the scape goats for their part of the crimes.

But when Cheney said the "gloves are coming off" he forgot that also meant he left his fingerprints at the crime scene.

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are you (0.00 / 0)
saying the bush administration authorized the anal rape of a teenager as an enhanced interrogation technique to gain valuable information need to save american lives?

No (0.00 / 0)
I'm saying the Bush administration authoritzed the anal rape of children, but it did nothing useful in gaining information and it has cost many American lives.

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

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steve (0.00 / 0)
You also have never answered the question whether you're fine with rape of children while in U.S. custody? You asked me about Pelosi and I answered. I've yet to hear your answer on children in our custody being raped. You're fine with that? And when John Yoo said the crushing of a child's testicles would not constitute torture, you're fine with that?

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

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wheres the proof (0.00 / 0)
"it did nothing useful in gaining information"...

stevewvu -- where do you stand? (4.00 / 1)
You also have never answered the question whether you're fine with rape of children while in U.S. custody?

[...]

I've yet to hear your answer on children in our custody being raped. You're fine with that? And when John Yoo said the crushing of a child's testicles would not constitute torture, you're fine with that?

From what I gather, you're just fine with torture. So, in that case, where do you draw the line?


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steve (0.00 / 0)
The report from General Taguba, the statements of General Petraeus, the Inspector General's report from the CIA, the numerous DoD reports. All links provided to you in the past that you ignored because they run counter to your self deception.

Where's the proof it gained useful information? Where's the proof it counter the statements from Army generals that the torture has been a recruitment tool for the insurgents and Al Qaeda and has COST more lives?

You can only lie to yourself for so long. Answer the damn question? You ok with children being raped in front of their parents? You ok with women being raped? You're fine with that? Why are you dodging that question? Why can't you answer it? You're fine with children being raped or their testicles crushed, right? The ends justify the means? Even though the generals and the people like General Petraeus, General Zinni, General Tagubu, General Powell, Colonel Wilkerson, etc., etc., etc., say they don't, but in your view they do, right?

Why aren't you just answering the question? As I recall you asked me twice before I answered about Pelosi, an answer I thought obvious from my previous posts. But on this, you are dodging the answer? You're ok with them being raped?

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.


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i dont recall (0.00 / 0)
you answered my post about pelosi....and certainly i do not condone the actions you speak of above...if, those things happened, and thats still an if, they should be punished because those actions bear no rational relation to intelligence gathering....

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The point of torture is torture (0.00 / 0)
It is not intelligence gathering dot dot-dot-dot-dash dot dot-dash-dot

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance

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I think you've stopped short of focusing the real point of torture. (0.00 / 0)
It's now been uncovered that DickCheney took a training program designed to prepare US troops to withstand torture by regimes seeking to extract false confessions and then twisted it into his own interrogation program.

Get that? THE TORTURE TEQNIQUES CHENEY AUTHORIZED WAS HISTORICALLY USED TO EFFECTIVELY EXTRACT FALSE EVIDENCE

Cheney took us to war on what we now know was false evidence HE ORDERED produced.

While countless American and Iraqi casualties mounted and their homes and families destroyed, Cheney's plundering profiteers got richer and richer

Members of the GOP now admit to having been briefed and obviously approved of its use, but now insist that Nancy Pelosi be investigated -for telling the truth!

Committing war crimes for profit is nothing new. Read the entire (short) book online WAR IS A RACKET by Marine General Smedley Butler


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