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Cap And Trade Protest in WV

by: One Citizen

Mon Jul 20, 2009 at 12:19:13 PM EDT


By One Citizen

Last Saturday (July 18), around 400 of your neighbors gathered at the state Capitol Culture Center for a protest and town hall meeting regarding the harm that cap and trade legislation will do us. Although Rep. Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV 2nd), expressed concern about losing West Virginia coal jobs, she apparently never explained how it will do so. I missed the event, but I've read all the reports that I could find, and even though it was far better covered than any anti-mtr protests, I'm willing to bet that no one will ever get around to asking Capito what makes her think that cap and trade will cost WV coal mining jobs. Because it won't. It may, however, help us to gain "green" industry jobs.

I remember when the airborne fly ash (aka "coal ash") around the John Amos power plant near St. Albans was so thick that you couldn't open your car window while driving for fear of being blinded. Back then industry stooges ...er "experts" warned politicians that cleaning fly ash from the air would skyrocket costs and lose jobs. And although exactly the same arguments were used against acid rain mitigation laws, the fact is that none of their dire warnings ever amounted to any more than hollow scare tactics. Because when lawmakers finally stopped the coal fired power industry from being bad corporate neighbors, the cost of electricity never really shot up. Yet entire "green"industries have sprung up since that coal ash legislation.  In WV, though, not so much, largely due to extreme anti-"green" tunnel vision of our coal-powered politicians.

The point of cap-and-trade is to cap carbon emissions to mitigate pollution. Simply figure out how to stop polluting and you won't have to pay the tax. So if coal is really as clean as Rep, Capito told us during her campaign, then just why would anyone need to protest?

The bill requires power plants, factories, refineries and electricity and natural gas distributors to reduce the emissions linked to global warming. It also calls for more power production from renewable sources such wind and solar energy, and raises energy-efficiency standards. source

Instead of wasting millions to lobby and buy politicians to lie about how "clean" coal is, wouldn't it make far more sense to develop a method to make coal "clean" and then manufacture and export it?

BTW Rep Capito has collected $263,290 from the coal industry so far to shill their bogus "Coal is Clean" shinola, so you'll never see her at a town hall meeting expressing her "concern" over the loss of tens of thousands of deep mining jobs in WV due to the expansion of surface mining.

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excellent diary (0.00 / 0)
Thank you for posting this.

constructive and not so constructive approaches (4.00 / 1)
There's a post of at HuffingtonPost right now with the incredibly misleading and completely unhelpful title "West Virginia Tourists Beware: Violence Escalates in Coalfields".

I understand the author, Dave Cooper, has a lot of credibility among hard-core activists, but his post (no matter how well meaning) is completely counter-productive.

It won't motivate Gov. Manchin to act by threatening tourism. It's just not an industry with that much political clout.

Besides, we need every tourist dollar we can get in West Virginia... growth in tourism helps reduce our economic dependence on coal. Anything that is done to keep out tourists helps King Coal!


Really not helpful. (4.00 / 2)
The whole MTR thing has gone off the rails.  This isn't a fight with the miners or even Don Blankenship.  The problem is with the MTR laws and the WV DEP not enforcing what few laws we have regulating this.  The miners feel threatened with loss of income and their way of life. I am in no way defending the practice of MTR.  Standing at Larry Gibson's looking at the devastation brings me to tears.  I could never have evisioned the day when Ken Hechler was booed by miners.  Pitting West Virginians against West Virginians isn't good.  Discouraging tourism is crazy.  I don't know what the answer is and this post is rambling.  Silas House has a book out, Something's Rising, worth a read.

the miners (2.00 / 2)
are not stupid...they know the whole anti- mountain top rearrangement movement is merely the first step in the effort to eliminate coal completely from the energy equation...deep and surface mined coal...i dont blame them for being pissed...morover, bringing in a mermaid from west of the mississipi to tell them how crappy their state looks with mtr is a huge screw up....if you dont live here quit complaining about what we do...

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find me (0.00 / 1)
a quote from god on this issue...please

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woah, heavy stuff... (4.00 / 1)
Do you believe the 10 commandments are the word of God? How about the teachings of Jesus, are they the word of God?

I agree with what Rev. Sally Bingham has to say about the Bible. From Preaching God's green gospel: An interview with environmental minister Sally Bingham

It's so simple. The first and greatest commandment is to love God. The second is like unto it, which is to love your neighbor as yourself. Therein lies this ministry-if you love your neighbor, don't pollute your neighbor's air and water. Don't trash something that your neighbor could use.


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steve (0.00 / 0)
Why are you ignoring Clem's questions about the 10 Commandmants and the words of Jesus?

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

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stevewvu and i have talked about this love thing before (0.00 / 0)
either he really does not believe in it or the answer is really inconvenient. you guess.

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance

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because (0.00 / 0)
the ten commandments are not relevant to the issue

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steve (0.00 / 0)
So you claim while still ignoring what Jesus said, particularly the greatest commandment of all, the 11th commandment.

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

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They are just not convenient now (0.00 / 0)
like when you are hiking the Appalachian trail.

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance

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or this one (0.00 / 0)
which is similar

If you believe in G-d the creator how can you be so arrogant to think the "mountain rearrangement" is part of His plan?

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance


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stevewvu don't litter G-d's Creation any more that you want other people to litter your home place (0.00 / 0)
I am that crazy mixture of Mennonite stewardship of Creation and Catholic Jesuit social justice and liberation theology. Meet you in the wilderness for a prayer meeting.

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance

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stevewvu you even wrong about hannah (0.00 / 0)
Most of those arrested with "the mermaid from west of the Mississippi" were West Virginians. Do you know much geology and where Illinois is? Why is Shimkus (R-IL-19) always holding up pictures of deep miners in the House of Representatives?

This is sick, like madanne said, pitting one with jobs against the health of others. One of the democratic governors from the mountain west offered Mojo natural gas if he gave up coal at the NGA meeting in Mississippi. Right there in the TeeVee, being asked to stop killing our own. Even in Cornbelt Iowa they have now 15% wind. It is part of the new manufacturing base in Illinois.

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance


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blah, blah, blah (0.00 / 1)
quit telling southern west virginians like me what to do

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but you are fine with out of state companies (4.00 / 1)
profiteering off our geography. geez. look around.there is not a unity of thought in you part of the state.

even ChinaMart's, since you like sending your dollars out of state that way too, is realizing they are running out of coal. we are losing the technology race by having advocates like you burying your heads in the fly ash.

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance


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There aren't that many jobs attached to mtr. In case you weren't aware, that's why they do it. (4.00 / 1)
On the other hand mountain top removal screws up all prospects for any and all other businesses to flourish.  There used to be plenty of miners paying taxes enough to support county education, but the fact is that the state Dept of Education has had to seize numerous coafield county school districts due to lack of funding.  Despite having exported millions of tons of coal.
 I remember when one could eat fresh fish caught from most any of WV's streams without fear of being poisoned.  Not any longer.  I also remember when the well water on just about any rural homestead was sweeter and more pure than anything the Tyler Mountain company can provide. But not any more.

Stevewvu you should go live in War, down in McDowell County WV for a week to get a real taste of exactly what will be left of your precious southern WV once the trans national coal companies get done with it. Where will you go then, pal?

Its primarily because

Bush received millions of dollars from the coal industry during his 2000 election campaign. One of Bush's big supporters in West Virginia, James "Buck" Harless (a Bush "Pioneer"), who raised $250,000 for Bush, had a private audience with the President at Bush's ranch. What's more, his grandson, James H. Harless II, was chosen as an energy policy adviser during the White House transition. source

Both Harlesses should be tarred, feathered and run out of WV on a rail.


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Speculation on Rep. Mollohan on cap-and-trade (0.00 / 0)
Rep. Mollohan might vote yes on a "sweetened" bill?

Mollohan Undecided - Again


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