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Flat-earthers enjoy climate change denial presentation

by: Clem Guttata

Mon Jul 27, 2009 at 18:55:30 PM EDT


Ken Ward, Jr. attended a coal industry meeting today and learned Global warming just a scare.

But the presentation by Myron Ebell of the Competitive Enterprise Institute struck me as really little more than a pep talk, urging coal industry officials to continue to deny that global warming is real and keep fighting any effort at all to limit greenhouse gas emissions.

"This is about a lot more than defending your industry and your state," Ebell told a couple dozen coal operators, utility representatives and other industry officials. "This is about the future of the American economy. You're fighting for every American here."

The coal folks, of course, ate this up. It's exactly what they want to hear. This is what they tell themselves. This is what they want the rest of us to believe.

But that's not all that Ebell said that the coal folks loved... he also made it clear that there's one other key point that the forces fighting any action on climate change rely on: Their insistence that the very notion that human pollution is heating up the planet is, as he put it, "a speculative theory that appears to have very little evidence in fact."

So what's Ebell got to back this up? Well, not very much, apparently. He said he has a more detailed presentation on "the science," but didn't bring it with him because he only wanted to spend "about two minutes" on that part of his talk.

Basically, Ebell stuck to one piece of information he said supports his view: That average global temperatures have not gone up since 1997, when the Kyoto treaty was negotiated.  Specifically, he said:

It was no warmer in 2008 than it was in 1997.

OK ... can't we be done with this kind of cherry-picking of data? I mean come on. This is all too important for that.

We're all in big trouble if the science used to build coal mines and coal ash impoundments is on as shaky ground as their understanding of global climate change.

It's not a ringing endorsement for putting billions of dollars into any kind of research and development (like carbon capture and sequestration) to benefit such an anti-science crowd. This is one more argument to invest money in more promising alternative energy options--the coal industry should not be rewarded for behavior like this.

If they can't agree with an overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change, how will they ever responsibly run the operations required to monitor the storage of captured carbon safely for decades (or centuries)?

Until they get past the self-delusion, these new technologies may be just beyond their intellectual capacity.

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The Flat Earters Meet Again Tomorrow in Bluefield (4.00 / 1)

Teh next meeting will be here in Bluefield with most of the same cast at the Fincastle Country Club (how appropriate right on the side of East River Mountain.)  I wish I had the time to see the Flat Earthers prove to themselves that all they have to do is huff and puff and coal will be clean, mountains will grow back, and climate will stop changing.  Read about this meeting in my post on the 16th by clicking here.

The Bluefield Daily Telegraph is so wound up with the Flat Earthers that they wrote about it again on Saturday... read the article by clicking here.

Evidently the whole band is on tour.



Rmember, Frank Lutz reframed it as "climate change" (0.00 / 0)
The Flat Earthers did not want to call it "global warming".
You just proved it was happening. Thanks.

Oh, meteorology is not climate science. National policy based on one month data in one city sound like blinders to me.  

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i am (4.00 / 1)
reminded of the comment from capt. andy hillstrand of F/V Time Bandit on the show deadliest catch while he was crabbing off the northern edge of of the bering strait and the ice pack was moving in....i am paraphrasing but he basically said "ever year i come up here the ice pack is is thicker and extends further"....more evidence i guess of global warming.......

as any one who does criminal law (0.00 / 0)
eye witness testimony is not infallible. Others observed this at the North Pole and looser ice pack, which is exactly what I was saying about the difference between weathermen and climate guys which I guess you either did not read or don't want to understand. If I had the time I could find some month in Chicago that was warmer than it had been in fifty years. So what?

It didn't rain here yesterday. Is that a drought? In the end this all may not matter after we start wars over potable water. Screw the oil.

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Weather Change (0.00 / 0)

Weather experienced in Chicago is not evidence against climate change. We know that the polar ice caps are melting. Even here in West Virginia we have moved up 2 climate zones in the last 20 years. The majority of those who spout the flat earth argument denying climate change are those that are "in the business" selling products such as coal, and are not real scientists.

 



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And I am reminded that I have a few friends that live in Texas. (0.00 / 0)

Texas Scorched by Worst Drought in 50 Years

Crop and Livestock Losses Reach $3.6 Billion, and Tourism Industry Takes a Hit

A combination of record-high heat and record-low rainfall has pushed south and central Texas into the region's deepest drought in a half century, with $3.6 billion of crop and livestock losses piling up during the past nine months.

The heat wave has drastically reduced reservoirs and forced about 230 public water systems to declare mandatory water restrictions. Lower levels in lakes and rivers have been a blow to tourism, too, making summer boating, swimming and fishing activities impossible in some places.



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A picture speaks a thousand words. And that's not only why Bush hid them (4.00 / 2)
but why he pushed hard to cut funding for repairs and restoration of earth monitoring satellites.

Here's a link to the photographic evidence flat-earthers don't want you to see. It confirms Al Gore's report that 40 percent of the polar ice has melted in the last twenty years, and that in one scientific estimate, it could be completely gone in less than five years during the summer months.

I suggest that along with a seeing eye dog and a white cane, Stevewvu should send his pal my link to those photos along with an explanation that when the Obama administration released them, The U.S. Department of Commerce National Atmospheric and Oceanic Administration ("NOAA")reported that global ocean surface temperature was the warmest ever recorded in the month of June. This is significant since the records began in 1880.

BTW the NOAA understands and predicts changes in the Earth's environment, from the depths of the oceans to surface of the sun, and conserves and manages our coastal and marine resources. What they do is quite a bit more credible than the degree in "climatology" stevewvu's pal Doocy the WeatherClown on FoxNews has.

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