Bizarro Joe To The Rescue!

One Citizen (4.00 / 1)

That's not what the Democratic Party stands for, but there are too many Democrats in this state who do take those stands and should be called out when they do.
 

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

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by: Carnacki @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 12:10:30 PM UTC

hold on! (0.00 / 0)

"But Stout couldn't say underground slurry was the cause of the water problems in the area"...no causation, no case...

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by: stevewvu @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 12:16:00 PM UTC

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It's apparent that neither stevewvu nor his pal MoJo's "expert" Stout read the DEP report. (4.00 / 3)

Page 8 asserts:

"Certain constituents, such as alkalinity, Total Dissolved Solids, sulfates, and some organics, had migrated from the slurry into the mine pool that received the injection."

Hmmm. "Had Migrated" demonstrates unequivocally that the slurry has not been properly contained. Then Page 32 reveals:

"A comparison of the mine pools in adjacent deep mines where slurry did not occur supports the conclusion that injection activities impact mine pool water quality. Specifically, the water of the mine pool shows increased concentrations of total dissolved solids, alkalinity, and sulfates."

Finally, on page 33:

"Two of the four sites showed changes in water quality of the mine pool receiving injection. Certain constituents migrated from the slurry into the mine pool."

Since CSR 38-2-15.5.e.2 provides that discharges into underground mines are prohibited

"unless the operator demonstrates that such activities will not cause, result in, or contribute to a violation of water quality standards and effluent limitations both on or outside the permit area."

The WV DEP report quite tellingly reveals:

"Migration of the constituents from the mine pool to the surrounding groundwater was difficult to determine due to a lack of background information prior to injection and appropriate monitoring of by the operator. (emphasis added)

So regardless of whether or not the WV DEP acted on their own regs requiring water samples to be taken prior to coal slurry injection, the law actually [b]requires the OPERATOR[/b] to demonstrate coal slurry injection won't poison the water. source

Since the OPERATOR failed to take samples, the coal companies have the higher standard if they're to prove that they're NOT liable.

And stevewvu, if you think that the court won't take the testimony and health records of the people of Prenter and Seth into consideration, then the brackish mercury and arsenic laden BlankenAide you've been swilling has seriously impaired your brain.  I suggest that you contact your health insurance agent asap to see if he's willing to sue the coal company for your treatments rather than just drop you from coverage.

The coal companies are darned lucky I don't live in Prenter, because I would hold out for the court to make them restore my aquifer regardless of whether or not Bizarro Joe pipes in the city water.

Just imagine how many folks THAT would employ.

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by: One Citizen @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 16:03:17 PM UTC

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Great comment (0.00 / 0)

Facts don't matter to them, but you made great points.

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

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by: Carnacki @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 17:20:29 PM UTC

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i repeat (0.00 / 1)

"But Stout couldn't say underground slurry was the cause of the water problems in the area"....

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by: stevewvu @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 18:47:12 PM UTC

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We'll see whose right soon enough. (0.00 / 0)

Those who lost family and friends in Prenter due to cancer caused by Massey poisoning their wells aren't likely to drop this case on your cockamamie assertion, or just because bizarro Joe pipes in the water.

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by: One Citizen @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 18:58:01 PM UTC

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you are right (0.00 / 1)

we will find out...and if the evidence proves massey or whomever liable they should pay....but theyve got to prove their case, and so far it appears they havent..

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by: stevewvu @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 19:18:03 PM UTC

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According to the law they don't need to prove it. (4.00 / 1)

At least not in the normal sense. As I said before, the burden of proof is obviously on the coal companies to prove that the heavy metal toxins DIDN'T come from coal slurry injection.

Perhaps you didn't get it the first time. Read it again, this time aloud if need be, stevewvu. And if that doesn't help, have someone read it to you.  S_L_O_W_L_Y

The report clearly states that the toxins weren't contained and that the coal companies didn't do any tests as required.  Other tests already show that the heavy metals are the same as whats contained in the coal slurry. So the biggest fight will obviously be over how much the mines will be required to do to compensate for their wrongdoing.

Anyone wanna bet that bizarro Joe WON'T file an "amicus brief" on behalf of even more scofflaw polluting companies before the end of his term?

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by: One Citizen @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 20:04:36 PM UTC

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cant find the dep report (0.00 / 1)

plz link it....the burden is on the plaintiffs to show liability and damages...they have to prove the slurry contaminated the drinking water and that they've suffered damages......and i repeat  "But Stout couldn't say underground slurry was the cause of the water problems in the area"...they may say theres some leaching in to the "mine pool" but the passages you cite dont prove the slurry injection caused water problems for those particular plaintiffs...plus its kinda funny that the DEP, whom you believe are a bunch of bumbling idiots are now your experts...LOL!...

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by: stevewvu @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 20:50:25 PM UTC

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Show me one link you've ever included to back any of your comments, stevewvu. (0.00 / 0)

Otherwise, I suggest you take google lessons, pal.  Perhaps you could coax one of your employee... oops I forgot. You've forbidden them the use of anything that might make them question your opinion.

Too bad for you.    

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by: One Citizen @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 21:07:04 PM UTC

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way to (0.00 / 0)

avoid further discussion

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by: stevewvu @ Thu Aug 20, 2009 at 14:19:48 PM UTC

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Why should I supply you with links (0.00 / 0)

when you NEVER back up your flimsy opinions with them.

And in past discussions I've requested that you provide source links on more than one occasion, but you NEVER have even responded.

You'll just have to remain a stupid self-serving prick, stevewvu, because I don't have time to teach you how to google.

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by: One Citizen @ Thu Aug 20, 2009 at 22:51:22 PM UTC

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isn't this a no lo? (0.00 / 0)

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance

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by: CA Berkeley WV @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 21:24:38 PM UTC

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Since there'll be a REAL judge (see my update above) (0.00 / 0)

the coal companies will probably try to work out some sort of bargain.

And since you mention it, the coal companies may well try to work out that type of plea because

the defendant who pleads nolo contendere submits for a judgment fixing a fine or sentence the same as if he or she had pleaded guilty. The difference is that a plea of nolo contendere cannot later be used to prove wrongdoing in a civil suit for monetary damages, but a plea of guilty can. The defendant who pleads nolo contendere submits for a judgment fixing a fine or sentence the same as if he or she had pleaded guilty. The difference is that a plea of nolo contendere cannot later be used to prove wrongdoing in a civil suit for monetary damages, but a plea of guilty can. source

As I said before, they're darned lucky I don't live in Prenter because I'd make them fix my aquifer.

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by: One Citizen @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 22:35:44 PM UTC

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I guess I should have been more precise and instead stated: (4.00 / 3)

In bizarro West Virginia bizarro Democrats* stand against protecting citizen's rights, public health, unions, employment, and the environment.

Sorry for the confusion

^{*in national venues bizarro Democrats may also be identified as blue dog Democrats}

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by: One Citizen @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 18:48:06 PM UTC

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This pisses me off. (4.00 / 2)

I know people who live up there.  This is right on par with Arch Moore deciding to accept one penny for every dollar that the coal company (can't remember which one) owed after the Buffalo Creek Mining Disaster.  Who knew Shelley Moore Capito had a super seekrit bizzaro brother?

It's just one more nail in the coffin of him getting the people to choose him to replace our beloved Senator Byrd (whose turds Manchin is not fit to whiff) when he dies...and you know he's waiting for that...you just know it.

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by: Buzzardbilly @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 14:30:23 PM UTC

"WV Town to go 8 More Months without Clean Drinking Water" (4.00 / 3)

I agree with Appalachian Voices, a more appropriate headline for the newspaper articles on the announcement would be "WV Town to go 8 More Months without Clean Drinking Water."

Help for Prenter citizens is long over due. If the WV DEP was doing its job well, this problem never would have happened. If it was doing its job at all, decisive action would have happened long ago.

I can understand why some many people are calling for a federal take-over of the WV DEP.

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by: Clem Guttata @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 15:00:34 PM UTC

What I could use with a Raging Red comment about now. (0.00 / 0)

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance

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by: CA Berkeley WV @ Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 20:21:28 PM UTC

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