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Why doesn't Obama consider Diplomacy in Afghanistan?

by: btchakir

Sun Nov 29, 2009 at 18:43:28 PM EST


by: btchakir

This Tuesday Obama is supposed to announce his decision on troops and Afghanistan (the last guess I heard was 30,000 as opposed to the 40,000 the General asked for) and we will once again see our middle-east  battle commitment increase.

But is there a reason why the President didn't turn the problem over to the State Department for a negotiated solution? Sherwood Ross in OpEdNews writes an extended article on why diplomacy wasn't even considered. here's a clip:

btchakir :: Why doesn't Obama consider Diplomacy in Afghanistan?
Afghanistan is valued today for the oil and gas pipelines the U.S. wants built there, no matter what other reasons Obama gives.

"In the late 1990s," writes Washington reporter Bill Blum in his "Anti-Empire Report," "the American oil company, Unocal, met with Taliban officials in Texas to discuss the pipelines" Unocal's talks with the Taliban, conducted with the full knowledge of the Clinton administration"continued as late as 2000 or 2001." Adds Paul Craig Roberts writing in the December Rock Creek Free Press of Washington, D.C., the U.S./U.K. military aggression in Afghanistan "had to do with the natural gas deposits in Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan." Roberts explains:

"The Americans wanted a pipeline that bypassed Russia and Iran and went through Afghanistan. To insure this, an invasion was necessary. The idiot American public could be told that the invasion was necessary because of 9/11 and to save them from 'terrorism,' and the utter fools would believe the lie." The war, Roberts continued, is to guard the pipeline route. "It's about money, it's about energy, it's not about democracy."


So, if this is indeed  WHY we are there, how long can it last?
In January, a Defense Department report stated "building a fully competent and independent Afghan government will be a lengthy process that will last, at a minimum, decades," The Nation magazine's Jonathan Schell reports (Nov. 30). So far from defeating the Taliban are Allied forces that US military contractors "are forced to pay suspected insurgents to protect American supply routes," Aram Roston writes in the same issue. "It is an accepted fact of the military logistics operation in Afghanistan that the US government funds the very forces American troops are fighting." In fact, an American executive there told Roston, "The Army is basically paying the Taliban not to shoot at them. It is Department of Defense money."

It is Corporate concern which controls the decision making here...and, of course, we travel farther into deficit spending by pouring money into Afghanistan (and Iraq, which we are NOT remotely out of, yet.)

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs has stated that it costs about a million dollars per year for each deployed US soldier, beyond the expense of training and maintaining a security force.  You can do the math: there are 180,000 troops in Afghanistan and Iraq right now...  add another 30,000 and we are spending $210,000,000,000.00 per year (that's just on those troops active in the mid-east... we are also paying for the pentagon, all our worldwide bases, all the equipment we use worldwide, health recovery by the veteran's Administration for soldiers who come back wounded... not to mention the costs for those who come back dead.) The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost 768.8 billion dollars so far and by the end of this fiscal year, the price tag will approach one trillion dollars.

It's not even a number that most people can even conceive of!

Ross goes on to say that...


"...in all the recent debate in Washington, who has heard a word of concern for the impact of escalation on the suffering civilian populations of Afghanistan and Pakistan?

" 'Our military demands ever more troops,' Veterans Speaker Alliance's founder Paul Cox said at an Oakland, Calif., rally, last week with Barbara Lee, the only member of Congress to vote against the initial Afghan aggression. 'Meanwhile, our economy is in the toilet, health care costs are out of control, and we can't afford to educate our children. But somehow, there's always money for war.' Rep. Lee called for putting 'this stage of American history-a stage characterized by open-ended war-to a close.' "

Barbara Lee, Dennis Kucinich, Bernie Sanders and a few others represent a very tiny segment of The Congress, both Representatives and Senators,  who would push to get us out of the middle east as warriors.

Unless America rises up to support such a massive withdrawal, this will never even be a remote possibility. Ongoing warfare is our Heritage and our Curse.

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good questions (0.00 / 0)
btchakir -- These are all good questions. Afghanistan (like Iraq) is looking like another open-ended occupation with no "exit ramps." As Atrios once summarized the crazyiness of the situation: we can only leave once we've been there long enough that we're welcome to stay.

Brushing up on Afghanistan history (History for Kossacks: Afghanistan the Great Game), it's hard to be optimistic about the outcome. I say today is an even better day than tomorrow to end our occupation.

If we are going to stay, I agree with Rep. Obey that any new troop deployment should be paid for with matching new revenue sources. I'm tired of money always being available for endless war and investments in peace going begging.

On a personal note, I was sorry to read of your unemployment. That sucks. I wish you the best with your job search.


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he doesnt is that during the campaign he harped on the fact that we should be chasing binladen in afghanland instead of in iraq..as if binladen was even relevant at the time...that played to anybody anti-bush...now hes gotta follow thru...sometimes the convienient argument of the moment to achieve an immediate goal comes back to bite you in the ass

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"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." - George W. Bush, 9/13/2001

Or the "crusade" or the "smoke 'em out"? Which one came back to bite us all in the ass?

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."  -Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

Future son-in-law. Third tour. Jerk.

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance


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the issue (0.00 / 0)
is not what bush said..its what obama said...learn to recognize the difference

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As POTUS Bush does a 180 (0.00 / 0)
on bin Laden in six months, and that's okay with you and to be forgotten. Sometimes elective amnesia is required for survival. The mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Since today is not Tuesday and you are not at West Point or on the NSC, you have no clue what tomorrow brings. What do you think candidate Obama did not know that POTUS Obama does now, years later? Can you image?

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bush (0.00 / 0)
is no longer relevant...and the question is why doesnt obama use diplomacy in afghanland...and its because in order win the presidency he had to say something negative about two wars which america was winning...and the only thing he could come up with is that we didnt get bin laden so he said we gotta focus back there and go get him (again, even tho binladen was a non factor)...fast forward then to today...hes on record as saying we gotta go get him and he thinks hes got to...sad thing is he doesnt have the balls to say now that maybe the thing to do is let afghanland go...what a hack...

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Shirley, you joke. (0.00 / 0)
Winning? two wars which america was winning. The last eight years never happened. Repeat after me. You think he won on his AfPak rhetoric alone?

That demands you explain how, by implication, the current administration lost those two wars.

Come clean. You will feel better. If Obama negotiates your would call him a terrorist lover. If he doubles down on a neocon wet dream he would call him a war monger.

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance


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It is pretty clear why rightwingers are suddenly all-fired up to "win" (4.00 / 1)
in Afghanistan. After staying clammed up for all thise years, the GOP now needs an excuse to put aside the health care bill and concentrate on "winning", despite the fact that more Americans are dying due to lack of health care every year in the U.S. than were massacred on 911.

Of COURSE above steve the troll attempts to rewrite history by denying that Bush is relevant LOL ...after having himself brought up Bush's legacy in a preceding comment. His apparent retraction wasn't because stevewvu was embarrassed for having supported years of Bush's simplistic warmongering. Trollboy long ago proved that he hasn't the capacity to be embarrassed. It became obvious around the time that America would have been far better off if we "liberals" struggling to be heard had gotten more respect while the trolls were collectively shouting us down as "unpatriotic". It wasn't that all long ago that anyone daring to question the almighty Bush administration would get "Dixie Chicked".

So just where was our teabagging troll's "concern" about Afghanistan when on September 2004 Bush boldly declared:
   

And as a result of the United States military, Taliban no longer is in existence. And the people of Afghanistan are now free. (Applause.) In other words when you say something as President you better make it clear so everybody understands what you're saying, and you better mean what you say."?

The silence from the PNAC Gallery was deafening even as our military leaders warned us that our troops were badly over-wrought.

And where was stevewvu's cadre of trolling wingnuts just before Cheney took us to war in Afghanistan? The "peacenik" Democrats were being derided as terrorist sympathizers for asking

Exactly who is a terrorist, and who is not? When the CIA was doling out an estimated $2 billion to support the Afghan mujahadeen in the 1980s, Osama bin Laden and his colleagues were hailed as anti-communist freedom fighters. Now bin Laden and his ilk are terrorists. Before he became vice president, Dick Cheney and the U.S. State Department denounced Nelson Mandela, leader of the African National Congress, as a terrorist. Today Mandela, South Africa's president emeritus, is considered a statesman. And what about Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon, who bears significant responsibility for the 1982 massacre of 1,800 innocents at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in Lebanon?

Let us make no mistake. Forgetting about the Bush legacy is to let those who blindly supported his failed policies off the hook. Which means risking another dark decade of bloody treachery and economic failure for America.

The polls show that President Obama is still quite popular, which has driven his opponents revisionism to become so desperate and obvious that former Bush spokesmodel Dana Perino recently denied that 911 ever happened during the Bush administration! Watch below as the Fox toadies let her lie glide right on past.

George Santayana, a principal figure in Classical American Philosophy is credited with coming up with a pearl of wisdom. He wrote, "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." So, like Ms. Perino, stevewvu strives mightily to obscure the historic chain of events. There will apparently always be a certain class of predators so eager to profit over wars that they'd willingly promote them.

As President Obama struggles mightily to extract our over-wrought troops from Cheney's quagmire, it serves their evil purposes and advances their long therm goal of greed to foment discontent about the method he uses even before they actually know what it is.

BTW, there is now evidence showing that Bush had BinLaden pinned down at Tora Bora but chose to let him escape, so you can see why stevewvu now downplays the importance of binLaden.

BOXCUTTER

It's high time the public starts understanding that it was the rightwing's insatiable blood-lust for never-ending business ventures was what got us tangled up in Afghanistan.
Doing away with the no-bid cost-plus contracts for murderous mercenaries will go a long ways towards getting us out.

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Requiring a surtax from those who did so well during the Bush regime to pay for Cheney's misadventure would likely go a long way towards changing rightwingers rhetoric about how "necessary" their precious war really is.


well said (0.00 / 0)
And, I'm all for that surtax.

Rep. David Obey is my new hero. I hope Reps. Mollohan, Capito and Rahall will all support this idea.

(Yeah, I know, Capito will tow the party line... 2 out of 3 wouldn't be bad...)


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