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7 "values" issues we Democrats MUST address in order to win back the White House in 2008

by: bluemcdowell

Sun Jun 17, 2007 at 00:18:08 AM EDT


Finally I've gotten some free time to write this very important diary.  This is about 7 very very important "values issues" we Democrats MUST - and I mean MUST - address for us Democrats to have any shot at carrying our home state West Virginia; our neighbors Kentucky, Ohio, and Virginia; and similar tossup states like Arkansas and Missouri;  and states we've been sort of competitive with in the past like North Carolina, Tennessee, and Georgia.

These 7 "values" issues were very crucial to Bush's win in 2000 because sadly of our evangelical and Pentecostal friends here in West Virginia and even more so in 2004 where for the very first election ever in the history of the United States "values" issues were ranked no. 1 in most polls as to why Bush was re-elected.

But most evangelicals and Pentecostals say they've been disappointed big time by the Bush administration mainly because the president's Iraqi occupation has taken center stage since the Nov. 2004 election.

But still we have to balance these states out with our western swing states like Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico where "values" issues are not that important and actually could hurt us there instead of helping us.

I still think as of right now the three swing states that will determine who our next president are Ohio, Colorado, and Nevada.  And must take back Iowa and hold on to Wisconsin as well but I think we will keep Wisconsin is because of Democratic Senator Russell Feingold who has opposed the Iraqi occupation from the very start and is loved out there.  And New Mexico is just about in the bag for us right now because of popular gov. Bill Richardson who is no doubt the frontrunner for Dem VP nominee in my honest opinion.

Well, here goes nothing:  actually these are in REVERSE order of importance.  And I have my reasons for doing that as you'll see later:

7.  prayer in public schools;  this is an issue that Republicans and even the vast majority of Dems agree on for the most part.  But the Dems in Congress have really decided that this is not a major issue.  Try telling that to my fellow evangelicals and Pentecostals though who say that things in this nation's public schools have gone downhill fast because of the landmark 1973 decision restricting mandatory prayer in public schools.  And they have proof - at least they say - to back them up.  I do agree with my fellow Dems though that this is the least important "values" issue there is for us at least at the present time.  But still enough votes can be swayed by this issue that we Dems still have to address it and take it seriously at the present time.

6.  ATVs; OK laugh if you will but strangely enough this is a very huge issue here in West Virginia especially in the coalfields where I live.  ATV owners have been very very critical of us Democrats for placing health and safety restrictions above their "freedom to ride" wherever they want to.  Most people here in West Virginia esp. in my neck of the woods have vehemently opposed ALL restrictions on them even though there is clear evidence that most people who have died in ATV accidents died unnecessarily because of the lack of these restrictions being enforced in the past.  But don't tell ATV owners that.  They actually say that these restrictions have caused these unnecessary deaths because people "have to take chances more" because of these resttictions.  And it's a proven fact that these ATV owners believe very much that is a very serious "values" issue.  Sadly I would have to say that at least 2/3 of these riders vote Republican.  And it has swayed election resulte here before believe it or not to continue to be a cause of concern

5. gay and homosexual rights:  this is a tough issue for us Dems to win on especially here in Appalachia and in the Deep South.  Most of the people in the dark blue Democratic Northern, Great Lakes, and Western states actually support gay rights now or have decided this is a non-issue.  It's not that way in West Virginia and the rest of the Red states especially the pro-evangelical states I mentioned above and the Deep South as well.  Most West Virginians I know in the coalfields actually call themselves  "the Deep South."  In my neighbor to the West Democratic County Buchanan County Virginia they voted 90 to 10 percent in the 2006 election in favor of BANNING same-sex marriage.  Yes they voted that way in a solidly Democratic county while at the same time backing Dem. Sen. candidate Jim Webb I think by a 60-40 margin.  And Southern West Virginians esp. evangelicals feel exactly the same way.  My mom has tried to keep me from talking to my gay friend at the mall constantly.  It really doesn't affect that many votes but still enough for us Dems to be very concerned....

Now the next 4 "values" are really REALLY critical for us Dems;  for the first three listed above we could at least "wing it" as they say.  But for the next 4 we cannot do that at all or else the Reps will win in 2008 even with Bush as unpopular as he is.  Actually I think these next 4 "values" issues are of equal importance.  I'm putting them in my order of importance but that is just me saying that.  In reality though they are of equal importance.

4. gun control or more truthfully "the lack of gun control":  no candidate I don't care what background they come from Democratic or Republican small town or big city can even think about winning in West Virginia, the Deep South, or any Red state for that matter if you support gun control. Everyone of the people I talk to sportsman or non-sportsman except perhaps for one of my non-hunting friends in Mingo County 100 percent Democratic or Republican is OPPOSED TO ANY GUN CONTROL AT ALL.  If you support gun control mark it down you will lose in West Virginia Democratic or Republican 100 percent chance of that happening.  The best way I think for us Dems to handle this issue is simply this:  DO NOT bring up the issue at all or if you have to just say in a debate that you are opposed to semi-automatic rifles and guns and THAT'S IT.  I myself hate shotguns with a passion because in my honest opinion they literally blow up their game and they suffer from it big time.  But even mention  BANNING shotguns and people will HATE YOU FOREVER for saying and believing that! This "values" issue was I believe the 2nd most important reason Bush carried W. Virginia in 2000 and 2004.  I personally believe that guns do more harm than good - look at the US crime rate it's NO COMPETITON WE HAVE BY FAR THE HIGHEST CRIME RATE IN THE WORLD but when I told my mom that she literally HIT THE ROOF!  My step-dad has 10 to 20 guns in his house.  You try to even take away one of his or any of his fellow sportsman's guns and he will absolutely DECLARE WAR ON YOU!  Don't try the "all you need is one gun" comment either or they will do the exact same thing and DECLARE WAR ON YOU.  We have to steer 100 percent clear of this issue except in debates where all we can really say is that we oppose semi-automatics.  And many if not most people don't even like that answer.  The 2nd amendment only says "we have a right to keep a highly trained militia" or similar to that but don't tell these hunters that if you want to live another day.

3. coal mining and the environment:  this is the BIGGEST REASON in my opinion that Al Gore didn't carry West Virginia in 2000 because I still think even with the other 6 issues we still would have carried the Mountain State.  Gore was considered a "tree hugger" then and sadly even in June 2007 W. Virginians still believe that's the case today.  I HATE MOUNTAINTOP REMOVAL WITH A PASSION!  But many folks here a pretty significant number of them will tell pro-enviromentalists like me YOU ARE TRYING TO TAKE FOOD OFF MY KIDS' TABLE AND I DON'T LIKE IT!   They will for the most part even admit to destroying the land and say with all their heart "I don't want to do this at all but I have to feed my children's mouths."  They say they have no choice because it pays a high 5 or even in some cases a lower 6 digit salary while no other job can.  Of course you all know the story about the family in Pike KY that feels that way.  People here hate mountaintop removal but "feel it's necessary to make end's meet."  Many of them will even cry when they say it. Never mind the fact that much of WV, VA, and KY is now a "mountain desert" - got the term from somewhere else but can't remember where.  Until last year's election Massey CEO and chairman Don Blankenship and his Republican supporters were very successful in using this as a political issue in the coalfields where I live until last year 2006 when my fellow coalfield residents finally saw they were being used and taken advantage of and voted for the very 1st time against Blankenship and his Rep. supporters.  But sadly it was too little too late and the damage was already done.  I have come to a sad resignation that I will be flooded out again because of this.  And my fellow coalfield residents sadly feel that same way.

 2.  National Security and the war in Iraq:  this is now the number 1 issue here in WV.  The funny thing about WV is that here the Iraqi War and Occupation is supported more here in Democratic West Virginia than even some of the very reddest Republican states in the nation.  I think that even in our bordering neighbors KY,  OH, VA, MD and PA the Iraq War Occupation is way way more unpopular in those states than here in West Virginia even though I'll have to check and see to be 100 percent certain.  The reason it's not opposed as much here is because West Virginia has a storied history of fighting military men, women, and veterans unmatched big time by any other state in the nation, mostly because it's the best way to make a living because of our high unemployment rate and the lack of high-paying jobs here in the Mountain State.  And most well-off servicemen here both active and retired support Iraq War and Occupation big time even while many of their poorer fellow Vietnam, Korean, and yes even Iraq War veterans are really kicked to the curb for the most part and treated like second-class citizens by our government especially by Bush, Cheney, and the Republican Party.  My fellow evangelicals are especially duped, saying that "soldiers knew very well what they were getting into when they signed up for the military and volunteered for duty" and continue to say "Iraq is better off today because my fellow Christian George W. Bush removed anti-Christian Saddam Hussein out of power."  Actually they still fail to realize even in June 2007 that there were no WMD's ever found - they still say there are WMD's when the evidence clearly states there not saying "those foreign governments and inspectors are still  hiding something and hate the greatest country in the world the United States of America and want us Americans wiped off the face of the earth."  In actually I don't know exact number but I think that the number of Iraqis killed since Saddam was removed out of power is even greater than those murdered in his regime.  And my fellow evangelicals say that "Bible prophecy says more about Iraq than any other nation besides Israel whom we have to support or else our USA will be cursed.  We must support Israel who is God's Chosen People or else God will turn his back on these United States of America."  'Nuff said.

Finally the number 1 issue of them all.  Drum roll please....

1. ABORTION ABORTION ABORTION!  Many of my fellow evangelicals I know say "We can disagree on every other issue but this.  If you voted for John Kerry you will die and go to hell and burn forever and forever because you are a BABY-KILLER!"  Many of them actually even agree with us and our fellow Dems on the first 6 six issues.  But to my fellow evangelicals this is literally a LIFE AND DEATH ISSUE. "Life begins at conception, the Bible says something like I knew you in your mother's womb before you were born."  My fellow evangelicals say this "values" issue trumps all the others even if they disagreed with the first 6.  We Dems have done a very poor job communicating to the American people especially the Republican Red States our position on this the abortion "LIFE AND DEATH" issue for the most part.  I have to be completely honest in saying I don't even know how to respond to my fellow evangelicals on this subject and I've even moticed many of my fellow members on this site say the exact same thing.  My fellow evangelicals almost always am crush me big time in every debate with them on the abortion issue.  The current Democratic policy of SAFE, RARE, AND LEGAL ain't gonna cut with them I'm afraid.  Even the very least educated ones are too smart and intelligent fo fall for that.  While I'm pro-life myself I'm often considered a "child murderer and traitor to the unborn babies of this country".  My fellow Dems didn't help themselves at all when they excluded former Democratic PA pro-life governor Bob Casey Sr. the dad of current Dem PA Senator Bob Casey Jr. from speaking at the '92 or '96 Democratic convention I don't remember which one.  And former pres. Clinton didn't even appoint one pro-life judge to the federal bench.  NOT EVEN ONE.  And even my least educated fellow evangelicals can see through that.  My online friend Dan says that Republicans are "100 percent wrong" on every life and death issue but that one.  And he is 100 percent correct.  Yet abortion is the only life and death issue the mainstream media wants to focus on most of the time.  WE DEMOCRATS MUST AND I MEAN MUST FIND A SOLUTION TO OUR ABORTION DILEMMA OR ELSE!  We have to do it.  Can't continue avoid this question at all.  Some Democrat out there has to speak up with a solution to this subject or else even with Bush at a 28-34 approval rating the Republican presidential candidate will win easily again in 2008 except possibly pro-choice Republican candidate Rudy Giuliani.

That's all.  I'm worn out big time now.  We have to address all 7 of these "values" issues or at least 10000 probably now 20000 or more innocent US soldiers will continue to die needlessly in Iraq and probably Iran too now. 

Losing is not an option for us Democrats in 2008.  We can't take another 4 years of Republican rule.

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Thank you for posting this very thoughtful diary. I appreciate your insights.

 



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thank you sir for the compliments (4.00 / 1)
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Hi Blue, sorry for not getting to this much sooner. Classes and research keep me busy. I find this diary to be quite insightful as it comes from a perspective that is different from this part of the country. Keep in mind I am a registered independent but almost all of my votes go to Dems... the others go to Greens with a rare Rep. in there. I'll comment on all your values one a time:

Prayer in schools- Not having mandated prayer in school has nothing to do with the decrease in our educational quality. Having both parents working all the time and little time to spend with their child does though. I think it's important for parents to take time and go over school work with their child and provide discipline if they misbehave at school. Prayer in school isn't an issue here though, although having lived down South for a while, I certainly recognize that it is an issue in some places.

ATV's - again I don't see this being a big concern here. Just of curiosity does WV have a helmet law for motorcyclists? We do and it is strictly enforced.

Gay rights- I think dems would do best to sidestep this issue. I personally don't care if homosexuals marry and I believe they deserve equal treatment under the law. I think dems would do well to state where they stand on it and how they believe in equal treatment for everyone, but not to "force" it. Around here, a GM ban passed back in 2000. Rural areas were solidly in favor of it but you didn't see people screaming for it though. In Lincoln, decent portions of the city were strongly against it and in other areas the ban was 50/50. Again, we're red but not bible belt red here.

Gun control - I don't own a gun and most people I know don't own a gun. Honestly candidates have won here while supporting gun control and NE was one of the last states to pass a concealed weapons law... and trust me many people were very against that. I personally believe people should have the right to own a gun but I have no interest in owning one and frankly don't see what the big deal is with guns. Alot of rural Nebraskans have guns but they don't talk about it that often.

Environment- I think the democratic party has failed big time in this area and is one of the reasons I am not a registered democrat. Environmentally responsible solutions do not have to wreck the economy, but the democrats have never been able to show how environmental action could help. Republicans have done an excellent job of putting fear in people. I'm taking a course here at UNL that you would like. It's Gender and Cultural perspectives on the environment and we've talked some about the economy and environmental action. Also, I'd love to hear your insight as to the evangelical perspective on the environment, as we don't have that in my class. In any case, I think what has happened in WV is a shame. Such a beautiful state. Around here, it is taken somewhat seriously and we have an Environmental Trust set up from lottery proceeds. http://www.environme...

National Security- This is a tough issue for me. I really want to leave but want to do it in the right way. I think dems would be smart to push for veterans issues and longer rest periods. Then try to push for a strategy that gives us a good Exit strategy after Bush is gone. This war won't end on his watch and dems need to come to grips with that.. sad as it is. But, they can do things to put the veterans in favor with them and hopefully can help oversee a peaceful withdraw. What I would really love is for the Iraqi people to vote us out..... I mean it is their country after all. Most people around here don't want a quick withdrawal but rather support a phased withdrawal... Alot of us out here feel very torn on the issue.

Abortion- I'm really sick of this issue coming up. I personally am pro-choice but would love to see abortions disappear. This is an area where democrats have failed but not because they are pro-choice. They have failed to point out that poverty and lack of education are the biggest reasons for abortion. Working to alleviate poverty and improving urban education and rural education in southern areas would go a long way to seeing abortion numbers decline. Instead of campaigning on "we support a woman's right to choose" (which I do) they should campaign on alleviating the social factors that put women in those positions. One further point, older white men should NOT have a say in what women do with their bodies. They can't spend a day in their shoes and will never understand what these women go through. Around here, we have alot of "pro-lifers" but we have voted for pro-choice candidates and will do so again.

Thanks again for posting this Blue!


thanks for your comments husker83; nice to hear from you again (0.00 / 0)
ATVs are most definitely a major political issue here.  You live in Nebraska which is very flat for the most part.  Here ATVs are a way of life for most people, and W. Virginians love them very very much.  If you take them away from people here you're risking your very own well-being!  And I'm not joking! 

I am 50/50 on whether my fellow W. Virginias want stricter helmet and safety laws are not.  I personally do but I say at least half if not more disagree with me a little bit if not more strongly on that.  And people do vote on this issue especially the socially conservative types here.

If you support gun control here in W. Virginia you are 100 percent certain to lose husker83 and it doesn't matter if you're a Democrat or a Republican.  W. Virginians love their guns to death.  If there was an election between two candidates and both support gun control, people here almost always leave their votes blank!  Yes I'm not making this up!

Really abortion is not a major issue for a silent majority of people here.  However it most definitely is for the vocal minority of people here especially for my fellow evangelicals and Pentecostals.  There are far more people here in W. Virginia that vote Republican on the abortion issue than the Democrats simply because it is much more important to them that is to Democratic voters.  I've known of many cases where many voters even concede that the Democrats are 100 percent on every issue but abortion but because of that one single issue they still vote Republican because they believe they'll be branded a "baby-killer" and will "burn in hell forever and ever" because of that.  And I'm not joking!

Republicans have been successful here in W. Virginia scaring evangelicals and Pentecostals to vote just because of that.  And sadly it put Bush in the White House in 2000.  Florida would have meant absolutely nothing if it weren't for "values" voters here in good ol' West Virginia.

sad but true


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Well Nebraska helped elect Bush too. Although I dare say that republican votes in Nebraska are somewhat different than those in your neck of the woods. I'm really crossing my fingers that more and more Nebraskans will leave the GOP. Keep in mind this is historical GOP territory, so for many people it is tradition. The democrats forgot we existed out here for years until very recently and I think you guys may find that your work will pay off.

There are values voters everywhere, including here. However, I definitely notice these people seem to become numerous and more vocal once I get south of here. It's been said that Nebraska is just outside the Bible Belt and I definitely believe that. We're close enough to it that we get some values voters but out of it in the sense that the vast majority aren't like that. You'll see a few Jesus stickers here, but I've also seen some cars with Jesus stickers also have a Nebraskans for Peace (http://www.nebraskan...) sticker. Also people here tend to be more private about religion and in general I think people are a bit more reasonable here than they were in Oklahoma.  Let's put it this way, Senator Inhofe would never have been elected to the Senate in Nebraska. That being said I wish Nebraska was a bit more secular, even though I am a Catholic.

I do have a question for you though Blue. We've talked alot in my Gender and Cultural Perspectives on the Environment about the influence of christianity on degradation of the environment. Alot of us supported arguments for and against that. Since you have attended alot of evangelical services, would you mind giving me the general viewpoint on nature and the environment (if you don't mind that is)?


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good question husker83 (0.00 / 0)
The main issue here in W. Virginia husker83 is jobs and the economy.  Most people here in W. Virginia including the coal miners themselves absolutely hate Mountaintop Removal Coalmining more than life itself but many of them are forced to work there because in many cases those are the only jobs around here.  Thus one of the reasons they have been voting more and more Republican lately, that is until the 2006 mid-term elections when they finally saw through the coal companies' empty rhetoric.

For that reason many voters here voted for Bush in 2000 and again in 2004.  Many coal miners both surface miners and underground coal miners voted for "the lesser of two evils":  their pocketbooks over the environment.  They loved the environment but still yet felt necessary to vote for Bush since they considered Gore and Kerry - Gore especially - too "green" for them.  They considered him a "threat" to their "ability to feed their families>"

As for my fellow evangelicals and Pentecostals you would be pleasantly surprised husker83 at their feelings as far as the environment is concerned.  They are absolutely disgusted for the most part with the Republicans and the coal companies handling of it.  Still though many of them work as surface miners, so they still feel it necessary to vote Republican so they can feed their families even though they are absolutely sickened by what's happening to their beautiful mountains around here.

And most W. Virginians I know especially my fellow evangelicals and Pentecostals just want to be comfortable financially and that's it.  They don't want to be millionaires.  As long as they have the basic necessities of life:  food, shelter, and clothing:  they're content.

And "content" people here almost always vote Republican over Democratic around here especially in the "swing counties."  McDowell County where I live has the most Democratic tradition of any county here in the Mountain State and arguably one the most Dem traditions in the entire USA as well.  But there has been a shift even here towards the Republicans, mostly because of "values" issues and the evangelicals and Pentecostals here.

Most of my fellow evangelicals and Pentecostals tell me they are even willing to sacrifice financially if it meant stopping abortion.  And I believe them 100 percent.  I think they are more than willing and able to do so.  They take it personally as well. 

But one issue you cannot waffle on here in W. Virginia is being against gun control.  People where I live take it personally if you try to take their guns away from them.  I'm not making this up.  They consider it a "slap in the face" to their manhood.  Forget about winning any elections local, countywide, statewide, and federal here in W. Virginia if you support gun control.  You'll lose every single time in a landslide.  And I'm not joking!

My best online friend in Ohio husker83 is Catholic just like you.  He is a fiscal liberal but moderate socially just like me. 

That said:  W. Virginians will most definitely vote for a woman candidate if she's the most qualified.  That is different from much of the rest of the South especially in the Deep Deep South.  W. Virginia has been the one of the most if not the absolute most progressive Southern states as far as women's rights are concerned. 

Right now I think it's 50/50 as to whom W. Virginians will vote for in 2008.  Yes Hillary Clinton is leading here right now but both Gore and Kerry led here too in the polls and still lost by a rather hefty margin.  Keep in mind also that W. Virginia has been trending very much Republican lately until 2006.  I hope we can keep the momentum we Dems had here in the 2006 mid-term elections and carry it into 2008.  But we'll have to do that for the most part without the evangelical and Pentecostal vote.  But I still think that 1/3 of my evangelicals and Pentecostals will vote Dem this time here.  In 2000 and 2004 only about 20 to 25 of them voted Democratic but I say 30 to perhaps as much as 40 percent will support us Dems this time.  If that happens we'll carry W. Virginia.  If not sadly W. Virginia will most likely stay in the Republican column.


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Thanks blue (4.00 / 2)
Thanks so much Blue! I think all too often people are forced to choose between the environment and jobs...People have to pay the bills so they are scared into thinking that if they choose the "environment" over the "economy" then they will not be able to provide for their families. In class we talked about how some fundamental Christians believe that nature is ours to do with as we please and that there is no reason to "conserve". A good example of this is former Sectetary of the Interior Watt who thought that energy conservation was silly because Christ was coming. Today, we have people like Senator Inhofe in the Senate who continue to claim global warming is a hoax. But it doesn't appear that people around you have that attitude which is good to hear.

I was raised Catholic and still am, even though I do have some fundamental disagreements with the church. But any faith or religion has some give and take. Most of my friends here are not very religious, but there are alot of catholics and lutherans around. I'm left leaning on economic issues (probably about like you) and am pretty liberal socially.


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Blue (et al.),
  Feel free to check these out:

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They were written out here but apply to all of us so take a gander if you get a chance!


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