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What now: will the Senate lead or concede?

by: Clem Guttata

Wed Jan 20, 2010 at 07:19:14 AM EST


By Clem Guttata

In case you haven't heard yet, Mass. voters delivered a predictable message yesterday. With high unemployment, a bad economy, and no immediate signs of improvement, they punished the incumbent party. (Oh, and it doesn't help to demoralize your base.)

The immediate outcome of this election is the Democratic caucus in the Senate will--sometime in the two weeks or so when Sen. Brown is sworn in--have 59 instead of 60 members.

For most of the history of the Senate, this would be a minor consideration, important only for the most critical of critical votes and--even then--only for the drama of how long it took to break a filibuster.

A few decades back when our Sen. Robert Byrd was Majority Leader, he instituted an innovative change in how the Senate schedules business--he created a dual-track system where the Senate can consider two pieces of legislation at a time. Combined with an unprecedented GOP commitment to obstructionist policies, this has led to a the unintended consequence of every piece of legislation now requires 60 votes in the Senate to pass.

Senate: heal thyself

What happens next is entirely up to the Senate. The 60 vote threshold for the end of debate (cloture) is entirely a matter of tradition--a relatively recent tradition at that. The Senate makes its own rules, it can change its own rules.

If you are not facing scandals, and times are good, then you will be popular no matter what you pass into law.  This is about being in power when times are bad.

In order to pass legislation that will start to make the situation in the country better, and thus make themselves more popular, Democrats are going to have to get rid of the filibuster.  With the 60-vote Senate, there was never much of a chance to pass the legislation necessary to start the country in the right direction.  Now, there is even less of a chance--virtually none, really.

All Democratic leaders are going to have to ask themselves a question: do they want to make the country better, or are concerns over obscure arguments about the need for a "deliberative body" more important to them?  Would they rather be able to govern for the next three years, or are they afraid of a few news cycles where Republicans accuse them of not being bipartisan enough?

That is the choice that leading Democrats face right now.  Even though we can help organize and apply pressure, this is still fundamentally a choice the Democratic Senate caucus faces, not us.

I hope for the sake of the country--we need bold action to take care of the critical problems facing our country--that the Senate fixes itself and is able to start passing legislation supported by the majority of the country.

To retreat to timidity would be a tragic misread of the election results, one that would not only damage future Democratic electoral changes but--far more importantly--needlessly clip the wings from implementing critical public policy.

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Clem (4.00 / 2)
Great points. Let's hope the Senators learn the correct lesson from this.

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

lol!! (0.00 / 0)
keep trying to convince yourself it was the poor economy that led to browns win...nonsense...damn near every voter i saw interviewed on tv last nite said they felt that the health care bill was bad, was being pushed down their throat and they didnt like it...the dems have two options. scratch it altogether or pass it yesterday...the longer it lingers and remains in the voters minds, especially as november gets closer, the worse it will be fo the dems

results matter (4.00 / 1)
Uhm, care to share which network you were watching? (Not that I expect any corporate TV news networks to get the big-picture political story right.)

Their collective noise machine is a huge part of the problem. It's no wonder:

On a broader note, though, it underscores how resistant the American public is to change. ... We complain a lot, but when all's said and done, apparently the status quo is still pretty popular. That's good news for Wall Street bankers and health insurers, not so good for the rest of us.

Kevin Drum doesn't point out why people are resistant to change... hundreds of millions of lobbying and advertising dollars telling us change is bad has a tendency to do that.

Still, none of this obviates the pressing problems our country is facing or the stark choice the Senate faces on deciding if they are going to position themselves to succeed in addressing those problems or not.


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Please tell me we're not thinking of (0.00 / 0)
wasting time and energy on trying to convince the same senators who got exactly what they wanted - to the detriment of the rest of the country - that they need to give up that power and change Senate rules. Seriously, tell me we're not going to do that.

Here's the hard, cold, lesson to be learned from last night's disaster: "the base" is too easily demoralized because the base doesn't fully grasp the realities of American politics.

From your first link:

Incremental change is awesome, and we support it, but we do not support Wall Street. We do not support a crappy healthcare reform bill. We do not support remaining in two unjust and illegal wars. We do not support torture. We do not support letting the former Bush administration off the hook for crimes against humanity. We do not support the continuation of DADT and DOMA. We do not support letting the Earth cave in on itself. And how can you expect any of us to support anything when a ton of us don't even have jobs?

Now square that with the fact that just last night the bluest of the blue states elected a pro-torture Teabagger to replace the most popular and beloved liberal in Senate history.

How demoralized are you now?

Kos and FireDogLake are killing us. But, Josh Marshall has it right.

Please consider a change in tactics and tone.


question (4.00 / 1)
Bobzim -- Can you please substantial your claim that Mass. is the bluest of blue states? Was Gov. Romney the only Republican Mass. governor in the last 50 years? What's the Democratic voter registration advantage look like? From what you're saying it must be what, a 2:1 or 3:1 advantage over Republicans?

Something tells me you're exaggerating a little bit and, perhaps, ignoring local political factors, too.

FWIW, I completely agree with you in Josh Marshall's advice... that's in line with that Howard Dean has to say, too: People Who Blame Others are Losers. I hesitated even bringing why the election was lost... I'm far more interested in talking about what happens next... I'm saying what needs to happen next is the same thing I've advocated before--the Senate needs to fix itself.

By the way, I'm not the least bit demoralized... I hope the GOP believes their own PR, because they're equally in danger of learning the wrong lessons from this special election, too.

So, you're taking pot shots at my solution... what's yours?


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Again, the mistake is making this D v. R. (0.00 / 0)
It's not. It's about winning elections. Period. And that means we can only have what we are able to sell to the majority of independents.

The strategy with HCR was to try to force conservative pols to do what we wanted them to do regardless of what their constituents wanted and that will guarantee a FAIL every time.

Like it or not, Rahm's recruitment of conservative Democratic candidates is the only reason we even got a shot at HCR in the first place, and to try to move things any further left of they can get away with is not going to get us back to minority status faster than anything else.


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Well, (0.00 / 0)
"Like it or not, Rahm's recruitment of conservative Democratic candidates is the only reason we even got a shot at HCR in the first place, and to try to move things any further left of what they can get away with is going to get us back to minority status faster than anything else" is what I meant to write.

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so, you agree with the GOP? (4.00 / 1)
That we should do nothing? And then wait 3 years for a Romney, Huckabee or Palin presidency?

I don't mean that as a straw man. The current health care insurance reform bill in the Senate is pretty much down the bare bones basics of what you can do to move towards universal access while having a shot at bending long term cost curves and doing something that is deficit neutral.

I don't see that as a huge lurch to the left compared with anything that Obama campaigned for. Also, I don't see why there should a 60 vote requirement for all legislation to pass the Senate.

I'm trying hard to follow what you're saying and still can't follow it.

I think it is pretty clear that right now we have a choice between (A) getting next to nothing passed in Congress for the next 3 years while the GOP blames everything on the party that is in power, or (B) fixing what is broken in the Senate and start addressing major problems facing the country.

Voters want results.

They don't care if they come from someone who calls themselves a Democrats or Republicans or conservative, centrist, liberal or progressive.

Voters will vote out the power in party if they don't deliver results. The power in party right now is Democrats and the GOP has decided it is not going to participate in governing. The GOP is not interested in any bipartisan approaches.

I'm providing advice to the Democratic party that I think is the best possible advice for both how to win future elections and (most important of all) how to fix problems that need fixing.

So again, what is your advice for governing? How are we going to get meaningful legislation passed in the Senate if the GOP votes as a block of 41 votes against cloture on anything and everything?


[ Parent ]
I think I was pretty clear in saying that there is absolutely no chance that (0.00 / 0)
the Senate is going to change the 60 vote rule, so let's not waste time on it. The very senators needed to change the rule are the ones who benefited most from it.

Right now we need to focus on passing HCR as soon as possible and by any means necessary, and then move on to finance reform and Jobs, Jobs, Jobs.


[ Parent ]
okay... in agreement on priorities (4.00 / 1)
Okay, I'm glad to see we are in agreement on the priorities. There are lots of other things I'd like to see Obama administration movement on, but in terms of where Congress ought to be paying attention, I'm in agreement those should be the major priorities the next 60-90 days.

Still, I think it is important that we keep talking about changing the 60 vote rule because I believe the change can be done with only 51 votes and if not now, then in Jan. 2011 when the next Congress forms.

Further, reforming it is the right thing to do. The way that it is being abused by the GOP has no place in a democracy. I think there are now only a handful of Senators who get short-term benefit from the 60 vote rule at a long-term expense to themselves and the entire caucus. (See, for example, Joe Lieberman who is keeping himself in the news while also making himself unelectable.)


[ Parent ]
Absolutely, the rule needs to go, (0.00 / 0)
but I'm afraid the only way will be to wait until the Senate is about to change hands and get the support of the incoming majority. Definitely a conundrum.

[Progressives can only have that which we can convince a majority of independents to support.]


[ Parent ]
wrong (0.00 / 0)
"...the base doesn't fully grasp the realities of American politics." what an absurd statment...the voters are smarter than you give them credit for...they no more want the repulicans to have all the power than they want the dems to have all the power..because when one has it you get the crazy stuff like the health care bill coming out...if the repubs had it all we'd theyd come up with something stupid and try to shove it down everybody throat...no the voting public wants balance...they want stability...sometimes gridlock is good and last nite vote was reasonable people telling the left theyve gone too far...

[ Parent ]
steve (4.00 / 1)
You're right. It's best to let the health insurance companies continue to screw people and overcharge on premiums while underpaying for services than to have any kind of healthcare reform.

We should leave it to the free market like we do for police and fire services.

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.


[ Parent ]
the voters (0.00 / 0)
in mass. apparently agree with you

[ Parent ]
steve (4.00 / 1)
The voters of Mass. already have healthcare reform and surveys have shown they like it.  

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

[ Parent ]
not according (0.00 / 0)
to the comments i heard on radio and tv last nite....again the dems better pass health care fast so as to get as much distance between its passing and november or they will be in bigger trouble than they are now...

[ Parent ]
and again what radio? like what tv news? (4.00 / 1)
in case no one noticed there was a two year democratic campaign where health care bill was one of the main focuses. then paulson and bush bailed out the banks to save the haves they know. this was about indies worrying about jobs because they already have universal health care in mass.

cornyn from the gop senate NRSC and the steele RNC were in mass helping out brown but kept it under the radar. they did not want to nationalize the election. people still don't trust the gop. since brown was a better campaigner and asked for votes and won they are happy to say this was a national election. but monday it was not. surprise.

there are ways to run good campaigns. i know people at american university that produce people who are successful campaign managers or issue advocates. deeds and coakley have a lot in common.

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance


[ Parent ]
What John Cole said (4.00 / 1)
I agree with John Cole agrees with. ;)

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

The problem there is that "Democrat" (0.00 / 0)
does not mean singular of purpose. If it did, we wouldn't have Manchin's DEP at cross purposes with Obama's EPA.

It's not Democrat v. Republican, it's conservative v. progressive for the majority of Independents.


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bob (4.00 / 2)
Even your c v p for the is over simplifies it. It's the cs + their big noise machine propaganda +  well intentioned but misguided libs who suffer from Broderism + Admin unable or unwilling to articulate Big Picture Principles v ps v ps v ps fractioned even when they agree on 90 percent of issues.

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

[ Parent ]
translation (4.00 / 2)
someone has their cajones glued to their thighs.

gop being all bipartisany this am at their presser made me throw up a little in my mouth.

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance


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