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When you think that most of the civilized world has universal health care...

by: btchakir

Sat Feb 13, 2010 at 03:41:40 AM EST


by btchakir

...and we in the good ole USA don't, encountering stories like the one about artist Tom Fowler that Cary Tennis tells in Salon makes us regret the corrupt political/commercial alliances that have given us our current situation.

btchakir :: When you think that most of the civilized world has universal health care...
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Tom had died. He had gotten a toothache. He had gotten a toothache but had not gone to the dentist because he didn't have health insurance to pay for the dentist. He lived with it. Then he got sick but thought he was OK. Then he collapsed and the emergency medical people came and they told him he should go right into the hospital. But after reviving he said he'd be OK and he went home and made himself some soup. He lasted a couple of more days like that. Then he got really, really sick and they put him in the hospital but by that point the infection that had begun in a tooth had spread massively throughout his body and despite the doctors' best efforts Tom could not be saved.

He died because he didn't go to the dentist and didn't go to the doctor because he was trying to be an artist and didn't have health insurance and didn't think it would kill him.

The stupidity of our system is so obvious, yet we are unable to move in the direction that would cure our ills and save our society. We are  herded into our corrals by Big Pharma and Monster Insurance Companies and other Corporate Entities which are, by the grace of the Supreme Court, participating citizens in our government... and by politicians whose  major goals are 1.) get reelected, 2.) bow to your big donors, and 3.) pretend that you will fix things...soon. Decades go by and the attempts by the few naive and well intentioned amateurs to bring us up to the Rest Of The World Standard in Health Care that appear from time to time get chewed up and spit out and (as Republicans say) we'd better slow down... we're moving too fast. What's the Rush?

It has given us our season of distrust. We elected a man on the assumption that things would change. We gave a Congress the majority it needed to make that change. We heard promises and patter designed to keep us believing that something would change. But, in the long run, all we have been is screwed.

And my wife asks me if I didn't wish we lived in Canada.

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sounds to me (0.00 / 0)
like the dude died cause he didnt think it was serious...he made a big mistake

And you have insurance and provide it why? Just why? (4.00 / 1)
I personally do know people who do not go to the dentist because they cannot afford it and put up with pain. I do not personally know any one who has died, but several who at times wish they were dead.

Not every one like you know when a toothache is serious and needs immediate attention by a qualified DDS. Please share.

So the fact that my insurance company has negotiated a discount with my dentist that makes it reasonable for me to go to the dentist to get preventative dental care to prevent an infection from getting septic is just what?

Many people have absolutely no dental care until they enter the military service. The teeth are very close that that big organ us liberals use a lot, the brain.  

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so americans (0.00 / 0)
should have paid for this guys health care because he wanted to be an artist...he made his decisions in life...dont guilt me into thinking i contributed to his death, i didnt...

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sins of comission and sins of omission (4.00 / 1)
I think you just expressed your own feeling of guilt pretty well--otherwise you wouldn't have responded so angrily to the suggestion.

If nothing else, you did indeed contribute to his death through not so benign neglect--you've actively advocating against measures (universal health care) that could have saved his life.

I also take great exception to the general attitude of your comment.

I believe in the inherent dignity and value of every human being. We are all equal in life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

So, yes, I do think you, me, and all other Americans ought to feel ashamed whenever someone needlessly dies because of lack of access--financial or otherwise--to food, health care, or shelter here in the most prosperous society known to humanity. The world's largest and mightiest military is worthless in providing a defense from suffering within our borders. Our country is morally bankrupt when we've amassed this great financial wealth yet fails to provide equally for the basic welfare of all our citizens.


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Am I my brother's keeper? (4.00 / 1)
There's 3,000 verses in the Bible about helping the poor, the weak, the sick, the widows.

Many on the right like to claim we are a Christian nation. Rather than just claim it, I'd rather they tried to prove it.

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.


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funny (0.00 / 0)
how when its convienient for you guys religion is all of a sudden the crutch you rely upon to justify state action..i wonder if that artist even believed in god?...oh yeah the bible also says god helps those who help themselves....and if that guy couldnt figure out a way to help himself, in light of the myriad programs already out there, well, too bad for him...hell, call a family member or friend and borrow the 200 bucks to fix the damn tooth...really, that guy is not the guy you want to be the face of your cause...no pun intended

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So the answer is 'No'? (4.00 / 1)
You would tell God you're not your brother's keeper?

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

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i would (0.00 / 0)
tell god that the guy made a choice...a bad one...but it was his choice and ultimately he is responsible for the consequences...god would agree...

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Amazing (4.00 / 1)
So those 3,000 verses about helping the poor, the needy, the sick, the widows - they're irrelevant because those people made choices? God didn't mean it when he said to help those people? And that whole Sermon on the Mount? Jesus was just joshing? He didn't mean it?

But it's fine to spend trillions on unnecessary and unjust wars, as long as we don't spend millions on dental care to help the poor, the needy, the sick?

And right wingers haver the audacity to claim liberals practice moral relativism...

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.


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that artist (0.00 / 0)
had an obligation to care for himself...he chose not to...only he is to blame...nobody else...funny how you all rally to the aid of a man who made a choice which cost him his life, yet are unwilling to rally to the aid of an unborn baby whose mom makes the choice for him/her...choice, an interesting word huh?...

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yeah, we know. People like the late Kathy Sharpe (4.00 / 2)
were willing to donate their time, talent and treasure to help with the annual mobile dental clinics that this 'great' nation requires to get life-saving dental care for many. Thousand line up for two days of help that can reach about 500. Here in the prosperous Eastern Panhandle. Down in Wise County, Virginia. Right here in America, the type of clinics needed in third world developing countries. Glad you are so proud. Because most of hte poor look just like you and me, but those on the right are so afraid of a brown person getting help they would cut of their noses to spite their face.

Yes, to me the whole point of the teachings I follow is to make heaven here on earth. I'll take the dead thirteen year old as the face of the case for including dental care if you insist. What was his sin?

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Oh, and what dentist do you go to? (4.00 / 2)
I have insurance and my part is $350 for a cracked tooth that has to be capped. That is the gross wages of a six day work week at the minimum wage.

Funny thing about poor people. They are often in a community with other poor people.

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until (0.00 / 0)
i instituted a HSA program for my employees we didnt have dental coverage...now we are free to use that account for any type medical expense including dental...oh, and i go to a buddy of mine whom i've known since third great...good dentist, reasonably priced

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Must be because I work for Brit ex-pat we have always had dental. (0.00 / 0)
Boss always said it was the cheap part of the plan.

So picking a dentist that went to the my spouse's crosstown rival high school was not such a good idea then?

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance


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