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Manchin Still Trying to Define Himself

by: wvblueguy

Tue Dec 07, 2010 at 10:55:42 AM EST


It looks like Katy Coil a reporter for the Bluefield Daily Telegraph got a lot more out of our new Senator than most in an article printed in today's paper

As far as the extension of unemployment benefits and the Bush Tax Cuts, Manchin said no agreement has been reached in the Senate.

“Nothing is done,” Manchin said. “It would sunset as of Dec. 1 and tax rates would return on Jan. 1, 2011 to what they were in 2001. From what I have seen, that money would not go to debut reduction but to increase operating costs. There should be a bipartisan compromise, but it’ll take a lot of work to be done. There’s a lot that needs to be repaired.”

On Saturday, two closure votes came up before the Senate. Manchin indicated he voted against the closure of the Baucus amendment, which would provide tax credits for Americans earning up to $250,000, and voted for the closure of the Schumer amendment, which would provide tax credits for those making more than $1 million a year. Both amendments were closed, though Manchin said the Senate is still looking for a way to resolve the issues surrounding the Bush Tax Cuts.

“We are looking at prudent and responsible way to take care of it,” Manchin said. “This provision would protect 99 percent of West Virginias. We didn’t lose one job and not one business would be affected. Both failed as of Saturday.”

Evidently the article was a day late regarding the compromise ransom agreement worked out by the President and the Republicans.  I think our new Senator has a lot to learn about the way things are working now in Washington.  The U.S. Senate does not work the way our two legislative branches work in West Virginia, and our Joe will find that he will have very little clout in trying to get Republicans to work with anyone who has a "D" after their name. 

I sure would like to know where he gets the idea that tax credits help the economy when extended to the richest 2% of our citizens.  He blusters his way through that issue....

Manchin said not extending the tax cuts would do more to harm the current state of the economy.

“I want to make it clear, I do prefer extending the tax cuts, but based on temporary, fine guidelines of time,” he said. “We must be prudent to make adjustments as needed. There’s going to have to be compromise. We can’t jeopardize in this economy the credits given to Americans.”

He also seems a little unclear regarding extending unemployment benefits as well as he tied improving unemployment to extending the Bush tax cuts...

“The next time we get to vote will be on legislation worked out between Democratic and Republican leadership, the president and the White House. If we don’t  hunker down and vote, every American will be affected. In this most difficult time, with unemployment at 10 percent, we cannot afford to not make these cuts.”

You can read the article for yourself and attempt to understand his thinking.  He has not made his mind up on DADT, and wil push for turning coal into liquid.  I for one am even more convinced that he will be just another Blue Dog Democrat.

Update: Boy do I ever miss our great Senator Robert Byrd.  He stood up for what he believed in and did not compromise his principles!

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Joe dancing with the stars (4.00 / 4)
JM3 is accustomed to conducting his political agenda behind the scrim while running his "all things to everyone" spiel out on the public stage. Now he has to take positions on a variety of tough issues out in the open where anyone can see how he votes - and dangit wouldn't you know it people in washington are unafraid to criticize him openly. Who knew that such a partisan world existed in Washington? My goodness. I'll bet his legs are already getting tired from all the tap dancing.

When you ride the fence you know what happens? (4.00 / 1)
You get splinters in your butt.  

[ Parent ]
Manchin's popularity (4.00 / 3)
Manchin's popularity came from being a leader. In the Senate it's going to be based on how he legislates. He's got to stop voting the wrong way quickly or that political popularity is going to fade fast.

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

Most importantly (0.00 / 0)
Senator Byrd had principles.

DB (0.00 / 0)
Yes, but he also threw progressives at Move On under the bus after receiving their support and he slammed those of us opposed to Judge Alito for making Alito's wife cry here phoney tears even though Alito has proven to be as big a dick and unconstitutional corporate tool as those of us opposed predicted.

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

[ Parent ]
First vote (Baucus amendment) described incorrectly (4.00 / 1)
Don't know if the source of the error is reporter Katy Coil or Manchin's office, but the way the Baucus amendment is described is wrong.

The article says "Manchin indicated he voted against the closure of the Baucus amendment, which would provide tax credits for Americans earning up to $250,000."

But, that's not what the Baucus amendment does. According to Hani Sarji at Forbes the Baucus amendment "permanently extended current tax rates on incomes up to $200,000 for individuals and $250,000 for married couples."

I tried to read the amendment myself (SP4727 is at question). It's a hard one to parse as it is a bunch of markups to something else. I'm generally inclined to believe a tax reporter at Forbes is going to get these things right and it sure looks that way to me.

Among other tax provisions, the amendment is about the tax rate for the first $250,000 of income for all households (or first $200,000) of income for individuals.

Distinction with a difference

What the Baucus amendment does...

Fiction: Tax break for middle class, nothing for richest 2%.

Fact: Tax breaks for everyone, no extra tax cut for very most wealthy.

That's the amendment that Manchin is so opposed to, he didn't want it debated in the Senate.


Byrd wasn't always a senator to be proud of. (4.00 / 3)


revisiting exit polls (4.00 / 2)
I want to revisit something Carnacki already did an excellent post on. I was answering someone's question on Facebook and took a look at the WV Senate race exit polls in more detail.

Sen. Manchin's tax cut votes seem to completely ignore who actually voted him into office.

There's a bunch of charts there on votes by income. This is the easiest one to understand. Read the chart from left to right. For example, among the 44% of the voters with income less than $50,000 per year, 62% voted for Manchin, 33% for Raese, and 5% for other (or didn't answer).

CNN Exit Poll Data for West Virginia 2010 Senate Race: Vote by Income

Voters making $100,000 or more gave Raese a 10-point advantage. It is voters with incomes of under $100,000 who swept Manchin into office. (From other tables, it's actually the 70% of West Virginia who make less than $75,000 of income--that is Manchin's base.) That's who Manchin needs to keep happy and make sure comes out to vote for him again in 2012.

Voting against giving all of us who supported him a tax cut just so he can give his opponents' voters even more of a tax break is a political death wish.


Manchin's voters seem to ignore who they are and (0.00 / 0)
what their best interests are.

[ Parent ]
right way/wrong way (0.00 / 0)
I don't know that Manchin will ever suffer in West Virginia for voting the "wrong way" as we see it. Conditioned by the right wing media that dominates the state, many West Virginians are quite comfortable voting against their own best interests. Manchin is sure to oblige them, and the state party is too conservative to ever hold his feet to the fire for it.  

Just a question. (1.00 / 1)
Why would anybody want anyones taxes to go up? I'm not rich by any means but I have never understood why the people in this country with money are looked so poorley upon. They are the ones who spend money and employ people. Why does the governments of this country deserve 50+(city, county, state, and federal)  percent or anyones income. Cut spending now and it wouldn't be a problem!

wvhillbilly (0.00 / 0)
What would you cut? Seriously.

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

[ Parent ]
30% (0.00 / 0)
Cut 30% of everything, seriously.

[ Parent ]
so (0.00 / 0)
you want my new son-in-law to take a 30% pay cut for his next Army deployment. And the brother-in-law who spends times at the embassy in Kabul, him too? Are you giving up 30% of your salary for this serious exercise too?

Means testing Social Security and Medicare has more of chance that this blunt instrument.

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance


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CA Berkeley (0.00 / 0)
And the tens of thousands of defense plant workers laid off because of cutting from their budgets, maybe hungry children should go 30 percent hungrier and elderly helped by heating assistance should turn their thermostats down 30 percent to 45 degrees.


When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.

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defense contractors (4.00 / 1)
have insulted themselves by being a presence in practically every congressional district. I say eliminate the Air Force. They work the Pentagon political game so well and have never seen a weapons system they can't live without. Navy pilots deliver from carriers and weapons systems are carried on submarines, but I am prejudiced there. The soft power of diplomacy and direct foreign aid, which most people think is ten times what it is, is a better bang for the buck, excuse the expression. Remeber, they hat us for our freedoms, nnot the drome attacks from some joystick operator in Colorado Springs.

At some point the bill for caring for the veterans of these two wars will come due and something at DOD/VA will have to bend.

The effect of the estate tax reductions have been a drop in charity giving as part of estate planning, stressing government programs for the marginal. This idea that the uber rich create jobs is crap. I just heard some fool from a "think tank", Dan Mitchell, senior fellow at the Cato Institute, get away with the canard that their wealth had ALL been taxed at least once Monday on Diane Rehm at WAMU. I think it is closer to about 1/4.

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance


[ Parent ]
No (0.00 / 0)
30% less deployments, 30% less of all the Department staffs, and so on. All spending cut 30%.  That doesn't mean salaries will be cut 30%.  It means there would be 30% less salaries to pay. My income comes from the private sector, but I do give up quite a bit of it to help fund all the public sector spending, way more than 30%.  I recently cut my own expenses by 45%, and now I feel like one of those rich people everybody seems to hate, but I'm not quite there, yet.

[ Parent ]
talk to me again (0.00 / 0)
when Dick and Lynn Cheney pay the same effective federal tax rate that we do.

I for one don't want the newly hired forensic accountants at the FBI and SEC to go.

We are fighting the wars with 40% deployed National Guard troops now.

And what the hell were you spending your money on that almost half of it was unnecessary? We are still raising three kids despite being closer an age of being able to drawing Social Security than 50.

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance


[ Parent ]
Bush tax cuts and 2 wars caused our deficit (4.00 / 2)
The rich don't invest in American jobs. They invest in Wall Street not Main Street.  

[ Parent ]
don't forget the unfunded Medcare Part D PHARMA giva away (0.00 / 0)
Bush and Cheney spent Clinton's surplus three times.

NFTT: Support My Team or I Will Dance

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