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Wait, isn't Capito for civility?

by: Carnacki

Wed Jan 12, 2011 at 17:10:21 PM EST


Republican Rep. Shelley Moore Capito founded a "civility caucus" in Congress, a move that many of us thought meant she expected us to be civil to her no matter what vile things she claimed about her opponents.

We were right of course. Turns out the Civility Project drew only three members of Congress, and Capito was not one of them to take the civility pledge which set a rather low bar for civility in the first place:

   I will be civil in my public discourse and behavior.

   I will be respectful of others whether or not I agree with them.

   I will stand against incivility when I see it.

As we've noted several times over the years, Capito had no trouble insulting her opponents, failed to be respectful to others she disagreed with, and remained mute when other Republicans were uncivil, so it's understandable why she wouldn't pledge to do those things.

But now the Republican leader of the Civility Project is calling it quits and his reason for doing so  isn't going to surprise people who have paid attention:

Mr. DeMoss, a former aide to Moral Majority founder Rev. Jerry Falwell and an unpaid adviser to Republican Gov. Mitt Romney in the 2008 presidential campaign, said that he was particularly surprised by the hostility to the civility pledge from conservatives.

"The worst e-mails I received about the civility project were from conservatives with just unbelievable language about communists, and some words I wouldn't use in this phone call," he said. "This political divide has become so sharp that everything is black and white, and too many conservatives can see no redeeming value in any liberal or Democrat. That would probably be true about some liberals going the other direction, but I didn't hear from them."

And he's on their side of the divide.  

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