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GOP brand tarnished beyond repair

by: Carnacki

Wed Sep 05, 2007 at 16:23:18 PM EDT


Here's something the financially and morally bankrupt West Virginia Republicans should focus their attention on. The nationally party is headed towards the same minority status as the state GOP.

The issues and demographics that are killing them are the very issues the rightwingers in the state (Abernathy, Sprouse, the usual junior high clique) trumpet most

From The Wall Street Journal:

WASHINGTON -- For Republicans hoping the 2008 campaign will bring a fresh start after the troubled tenure of President Bush, there are sobering signs: Evidence indicates that the party's problems with the American electorate are much bigger than the president and won't go away when he leaves office.

Recent voter surveys, including private polling done by a leading Republican strategist, suggest a broader erosion of Republicans' appeal. In particular, three groups crucial to Mr. Bush's goal of a "permanent Republican majority" are drifting away: younger voters, Hispanics and independents.

The reasons include the Iraq war, conservatives' emphasis on social issues such as gay marriage, abortion and stem-cell research, and a party-led backlash against illegal immigrants that has left many Hispanic and Asian-American citizens feeling unwelcome. The upshot is that Republicans face structural problems that stem from generational, demographic and societal changes and aren't easily overcome without changing fundamental party positions.

Longtime Republican pollster Tony Fabrizio this year conducted an exhaustive survey of his party's voters to update one he did in 1997. He found that the party is significantly older and more conservative than it was a decade ago. That, he says, suggests a Republican Party increasingly at risk of being seen "as very old-fashioned, very old and not in touch with the realities of today's society.

Hat tip to kos.

The funny thing is how the state's most famous Republicans like GOP "strategist" Gary Abernathy and former Senate Minority Leader Vic Sprouse advise their fellow Republicans to cling to the "very old-fashioned, very old and not in touch wih the realities" approach on the Iraq war and equality for gays. I only hope vulnerable Republican Rep. Shelley Moore Capito follows their advice. With their "strategery,"as Mr. Bush would say, my work will be a lot easier.

However, the GOP's problems also should be seen as a warning to West Virginia's socially conservative Democrats. (You all know who you are.) Do you want to tread the same path to political extinction as the Republican dinosaurs or do you want to move into the future? The choice is yours.

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GOP Brand (0.00 / 0)
If only Unger was not a GOP Light Brand on conservative issues, then we could be excited.  But, from what I can tell he is a socially conservative Democrat.  Does not support the right to privacy and is anti-gay.

Sharkboy (4.00 / 1)
He's not anti-gay. You've jumped to a lot of conclusions. Tell you what, you want a Republican majority in Congress again, you want a Shelley Moore Capito voting for a John Bonior as Speaker of the House, then feel free to go work for her campaign. You think that another Republican majority would be more gay friendly? You think another Republican majority would be better on reproductive rights? You want to find an alternative candidate that has a chance in hell of winning this district over her, then find one. Otherwise all you're doing is spreading lies and innuendo. You got a link to back up he's anti-gay? The Shepherdstown Chronicle article you linked to showed exactly what I told you in email. Hell after seeing your comment about it I've got serious doubts about your reading comprehension. We're working to convince him where he's wrong and you can see from his answer that he's progressed from his stance in 2006 to now. But feel free to go support Shelley and her vote for John Bonior for House Speaker. Feel free to back them in supporting real anti-gay legislation and taking away the freedoms of women. Because you're being blind and one dimensional as to what makes up a progressive agenda. There's more than one or two issues important to progressives. Some of us want to end the war, and make sure healthcare is accessible to all, that corporations don't get to decide the work place rules.

But feel free to fuck over the poor and the uninsured and the people of Iraq because Unger lacks the purity on your litmus test because that's what you'd be doing. Because Capito's voting record shows she is perfectly fine with fucking over the poor and the workers for the interests of the corporations. Capito is perfectly fine with fucking over the troops in Iraq so they're stuck in an endless occupation. Capito is perfectly fine with stripping out the need for warrants. Capito is perfectly fine with torture and indefinite detention of foreign captives. But no, feel free to tear down the candidate that has the best chance of beating her in this very socially conservative district where our perfect candidate wouldn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning. And if you've ever done any canvassing or activism on the street instead of just bitching on a blog you'd know that. Feel free to tear down the candidate that has opened up to listening to us on civil unions when he's getting banged on by the right for even going that far. Because all that fucking matters to you is your own damn litmus test. Some of us are looking at a bigger picture and part of that means making sure the Democrats have a majority that will advance progressive causes even when that isn't possible in this district. Some of us are actually trying to make sure Capito is defeated so that she's not a rubberstamp for the far right extremists and a roadblock for any efforts to bring sanity to the nation's foreign policy. But all that matters to you is that he's not pure enough. On 8 out of 10 issues he'd be on our side and some of us are working to make sure that at least he won't be against us on the other two issues. But you'd sacrifice the other issues important to progressives for your own cause instead of looking at the bigger picture. And in doing so you'd be hurting the very causes you claim to care about.

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.


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Unger (0.00 / 0)
I never said I would vote for Capito.  I was merely talking about Unger's positions.  He is by no means a progressive.  There are many things I like about him -- most of all he is a Democrat and will vote for Pelosi to be Speaker.  I was just merely expressing my frustration with him as a candidate. 

He will be the better choice on election day.  Though I don't see one person as evil over another.  All politicians lie about what they are going to do.  The issue I have with Unger is the way he used the same sex marriage issue in the Senate race last year.  He is not just oppossed, but exploited it for political gain.

I am also eager to learn more about what his plan for Iraq is.  We have to many Democrats in Congress who can't seem to get the troops home.  We don't need another one who pays lip service and then votes to keep them there.

You need to direct your anger in a more constructive way or it will consume you.  The thing about elections is everyone has and is entitled to hold and express their opinions.  That is what makes them effective.

The reality is that Unger may be the best we can get for this district.  But, let's not put him on a pedastal and exalt him.  Let's hold his feet to the fire to be a truly progressive leader.


what would you like to see happen in Iraq? (4.00 / 1)
Sharkboy -- Thank you for this productive comment.

I sure know what you mean about frustration on ending our occupation of Iraq. It's incredibly frustrating that the majority of Americans are saying we want our soldiers brought home yet somehow the folks in Washington just aren't listening. It's even more frustrating when you consider the war was such a big issue in the 2006 election.

I take small solace that overall the W.Va. Democrats in Congress have done well on their Iraq votes (going back to the original authorization, for that matter). Still, it's really concerning to hear they may not get any more strong withdrawal legislation to vote on for a while.

Another things that's starting to really bother me is the lack of specifics from the Dem Presidential front-runners on what it means to get out of Iraq. I think our best way forward is to have no permanent bases and no residual troops. I want candidates to provide those kinds of specifics.

I know some foreign policy experts (the real ones, not the fake TV kind) feel there are specific reasons for troops. If a candidate also thinks so, I want that spelled out in enough detail so I can figure out if they're talking about more like 5,000 (okay) or 50,000 (no way, that's not really ending the war).


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Sharkboy (4.00 / 1)
Much better comment from you. Believe me, I haven't put any Democrat on a pedestal, including John Unger. I know his flaws which is why I'm on him about them here and in person. If you read the site you know I'm constantly pushing all of our Democrats to be more progressive.

I'm glad to see from this comment from you that we're on the same side on this issue.

When a man embarks upon a crime, he is morally guilty of any other crime which may spring from it. Sherlock Holmes.


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